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First off, i play a Jedi and i am no longer a BH.

As many of you are aware, there are several proposed changes to Force Cloak. This will end the jedi's ability to escape from a fight as easily. Force cloak was not intended to be used for escape! I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to. Now that Cloak is getting a "nerf" we (jedi and BHs) can see it being used like it was intended. There is also a snare idea being thrown around. This is where i have my problem. How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

And the only reason i post this here is because every jedi who reads this will think im a crazy mofo who needs to die because i dont mind the cloak nerf. BHs seems more supportive of positive changes to the Jedi proffesion than most jedi.

lol, I am a BH/jedi .. BH is my alt... The only thing that will happen with this cloak nerf, is that 95% of jedi will be clones.. remember those hard to hit defenders? yeah get ready for them now... Not to say that cloak will still effective, all u go do is FR and cloak...

Well.... I don't think you are a crazy mofo! But then I don't have or want a Jedi either.

I think it's high time that something was done about it, but for PvE reasons I posted in another thread. I personally don't really get upset if a Jedi cloaks on me when I show up. Means I'm not going to fight him then and there. I will wait for a better time to catch him in then.

I think force run is more annoying than cloak. They both allow the Jedi to escape you, but with force run, you can follow the Jedi where he's going, the whole time becoming more and more irritated that they are running to a house. All a Jedi needs to do is run from you for 2.5 min and then he can enter any structure he wants. It's not that difficult to stay outside 65m of someone. I'm not a Jedi and I can do that with parawan cake when I'm running for my life from a PvP gank squad!

At least with cloak, when the Jedi disappears it's an instant mad, not one that builds up.

well, what many of you gusy dont realize is that cloak will still a get way ability.. all u got do is cloak Off course you will get a snare, When they fix the /follow exploit , it wont matter much against BH's... The issue with cloak is jedi vs jedi.. In order to get cloak , we have to give up defenses, If they add a snare to cloak, I see 95% of jedi going defender/enhancer etc... so 95% with same template.. And a well builded template with aura+MLS can kill BH's very well...

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bmill wrote:

Well.... I don't think you are a crazy mofo! But then I don't have or want a Jedi either.

I think it's high time that something was done about it, but for PvE reasons I posted in another thread. I personally don't really get upset if a Jedi cloaks on me when I show up. Means I'm not going to fight him then and there. I will wait for a better time to catch him in then.

I think force run is more annoying than cloak. They both allow the Jedi to escape you, but with force run, you can follow the Jedi where he's going, the whole time becoming more and more irritated that they are running to a house. All a Jedi needs to do is run from you for 2.5 min and then he can enter any structure he wants. It's not that difficult to stay outside 65m of someone. I'm not a Jedi and I can do that with parawan cake when I'm running for my life from a PvP gank squad!

At least with cloak, when the Jedi disappears it's an instant mad, not one that builds up.

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The instant mad will still be there with the proposed changes.

Cloak by itself can be well countered and the ones who cry about it for the most part don't have the required skills or are too lazy to do some of the others.

The /stasis, /forcerun, /cloak will still be the "I getaway buttion" that seems to be enfuriating the BH community and I'm assuming that will be next on the Nerf cry agenda. Hell don't even need stasis. Root, forcerun, cloak.Thesnare of cloak would be meaningless in an escape attempt as once cloaked there's currently no need to run in most situations.

I'm just gonna wait and see how these new changes come about because as of right now I still see the BH get out of Jail free card that alot of BH's are claiming has been removed.

The nerf that would make the skill useless is if it can be broken by anyone other then the Jedi like riflemans cover.

As long as the Jedi is unable to be targeted and is unattackable I don't see what these BH's are all rejoicing at.

I think they are rejoicing because the ones who use IMO the current Exploit of stacking DOT's on a CloakedJedi will be able to get them. I only say it's an exploit because those are direct target attacks. Bombdroids and area attacks are fair game.

They are saying that the new Ranger will have the ability to break a Jedi's cloak. While a Jedi can use the mind trick on a sentient, they can't do it to machines. So a motion detector will be able to break a Jedi's cloak.

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TesserVin wrote:

I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to......

.....How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

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acmtalk wrote:
lol, I am a BH/jedi .. BH is my alt... The only thing that will happen with this cloak nerf, is that 95% of jedi will be clones.. remember those hard to hit defenders? yeah get ready for them now... Not to say that cloak will still effective, all u go do is FR and cloak...

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I'd rather have a target who I can actually hit as opposed to one I can't even see.

Not to mention I'd rather a hard to kill Jedi be one who has sacrificed 89 SP from his template for that defense than a Jedi who's only given up 28.

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Compton wrote:

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TesserVin wrote:

I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to......

.....How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

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Well, you first have to give us a source and some proof. You saying that you heard it was intended to be an alpha strike does not count as a source. So in that regard you can't defend cloak like everyone knows it was supposed to be an alpha strike tool. This is the first I had ever heard of it being used like that, although, I do see it use like that. Jedi always cloak, then buff, regen and uncloak right beside the BH.

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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Compton wrote:

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TesserVin wrote: I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to......

.....How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

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Well, you first have to give us a source and some proof. You saying that you heard it was intended to be an alpha strike does not count as a source. So in that regard you can't defend cloak like everyone knows it was supposed to be an alpha strike tool. This is the first I had ever heard of it being used like that, although, I do see it use like that. Jedi always cloak, then buff, regen and uncloak right beside the BH.

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Proof

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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Compton wrote:

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TesserVin wrote: I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to......

.....How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

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Well, you first have to give us a source and some proof. You saying that you heard it was intended to be an alpha strike does not count as a source. So in that regard you can't defend cloak like everyone knows it was supposed to be an alpha strike tool. This is the first I had ever heard of it being used like that, although, I do see it use like that. Jedi always cloak, then buff, regen and uncloak right beside the BH.

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Proof

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QFFE

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Compton wrote:

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ShaikeRamjet wrote:

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Compton wrote:

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TesserVin wrote: I recall a quote from Helios, something like "Force cloak was intended to be an alpha strike ability." Of corse, that is not the exact quote, but close to......

.....How can jedi organize an "alpha strike" if we are snared? Please do not put a snare on cloak, all the other changes seem acceptable.

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Well, you first have to give us a source and some proof. You saying that you heard it was intended to be an alpha strike does not count as a source. So in that regard you can't defend cloak like everyone knows it was supposed to be an alpha strike tool. This is the first I had ever heard of it being used like that, although, I do see it use like that. Jedi always cloak, then buff, regen and uncloak right beside the BH.

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Proof

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I stand corrected.

Although it looks like his post is refering to what the changes are going to be, not the original intent of Cloak's use. His post isnot evenone day old which doesn't suggest that cloak was originally intended for an alpha strike ability.

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No, his post was blatantly refering to how it was supposed to be played all along.

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Helios_SOE wrote:

Force cloak is currently intended to be an alpha strike facilitator, not a "get outa fight and regenerate free" card; nor was it intended to letme selectively bypass risky portions of content to get the rewards for free. Force Run was designed to be a (more) balanced escape mechanism for Jedi. With the new hiding/stealth system, you can probably count on mostany action that would let you get backin the fight for free (after you would have probably lost) to breakstealth(including Force Cloak). That includes the abilities you asked about. As a general note, logging out/in whilst having a hiding/stealth buff on you (including cloak), removes that buff. If it looks like the fight is going southI tend to Burst/Force Run now. Hiding/Stealth can easily be overpowered and as such, must include checks and balances.

Please keep in mind that everything is subject to more play testing and balancing.

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CONFIRMING THE INTENTION OF FORCE CLOAK TO BE A FIRST STRIKE ABILITY EXCEPT FOR IN BH MISSIONS

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