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Thread: Kashyyyk Jedi : Not So Bad
The problem I am running into is that the Jedi I'm coming across aren't getting damaged or spending much force. Now, against lower Jedi, this isn't really an issue. I'd drop 'em anyways. However, against higher Jedi, I'm having trouble. I don't think it has anything to do with skill on their part either, it's that stupid force aura crap. I've gone up against non-full-template Jedi who were afk grinding and running aura macros and not been able to touch them. It's pretty frustrating to me. It's not that I think I should be able to beat them everytime I fight them, but it's frustrating that I just can't do enough damage to take an afk Jedi.
wyzer301 wrote:
The problem I am running into is that the Jedi I'm coming across aren't getting damaged or spending much force. Now, against lower Jedi, this isn't really an issue. I'd drop 'em anyways. However, against higher Jedi, I'm having trouble. I don't think it has anything to do with skill on their part either, it's that stupid force aura crap. I've gone up against non-full-template Jedi who were afk grinding and running aura macros and not been able to touch them. It's pretty frustrating to me. It's not that I think I should be able to beat them everytime I fight them, but it's frustrating that I just can't do enough damage to take an afk Jedi.
If they're only using Aura without food buffs, then Deuterium Pyro will work wonders for you.
Onisamu wrote:
You see? now just get this message to the rest of your BH freinds who still think kashyyyk is this stupid worry free safe zone for Jedi becuz as you have all proven IT IS NOT =) Kudos to you guys for taking the initiative on kashyyyk bounty hunting. /slaute
I think the point about Kashyyk isn't that Jedi can't be killed there. It's that you can't be properly tracked there. We have invested in an entire line of skills to be able to track you with our droids, and we are upset that skill has been effectively turned off on a whole planet. This is literally our most important skill as well, as without it our job is nearly impossible (yes I know it can be done...I did it myself during the /login /logout exploit days...but it was insanely difficult and time consuming). Take away the skill you value above all others and tell me how fair you think it is. Perhaps take away your ability to wield a lightsaber? Maybe the ability to fight back against BH? It's not that our job is impossble without droids, it's that we shouldn't have to work without droids, because it is a skill that we earned.
Now, beyond that, let's take my day today for instance. I take a mission on Marra-Jade, she's on Kash. I go to Kash, and search the most common grinding spot on the planet (by the feral wookies, above the black scale camp, in the webweaver path, in the ryatt trail). I search all 6 instances. Can't find her. Now, Kash is a big complex place, so to hunt more than just the hotspots really becomes self defeating. It already takes a good deal of time just to search 6 spots like this, and every bit of time more that you spend, you gain a bigger chance of never finding your mark as he or she moves around more. Oh sure, you could search the whole planet and find your mark, but would you want to have to search the entire planet and every instance just to find one creature to grind on, then have to do it all over again for every creature you need to kill? Also, it takes me two pieces of parwan to get to the hotspot, and then two more if I want to run back (I instead get triple incapped and clone if my mark ain't at the instance).
So anyways, can't find Marra-Jade, so I drop the mission. Now, perhaps you want to tell me that instead of grabbing a mission and THEN going to Kashyyk, I should find a Jedi on Kashyyk and go grab the mission after that. Well, that's what I did actually. I had seen Net-chaos in a group grinding in instance 2 of that hotspot I mentioned (I may be mistaken on the instance, but at the time I was positive...but it's been a few hours, so forgive me). So I go back to Kaadara and grab his mission. I run back to where he had been, only to not find him there. Check every instance again, no luck. Drop his mission and grab a mission on SayanMasta, as he was afk grinding on instance 2 of the hotspot. I get back to Kashyyk and sure enough kill my mark for 112k. I actually find net-chaos here shortly after I kill sayan as well. At this point I've wasted 2 hours and had to give up on 2 missions. Say I hadn't even given up on those first two, and continued looking, how long until I would have found them? What's the chance someone else finds them first and I waste the time to only lose my mark to another luckier BH (and don't get it wrong, it's not skill to find a Jedi on Kashyyk, it's luck). And as for Net-chaos, what's not to say he saw me and was smart and moved? That's could be why I couldn't find him. Or even if he didn't, let's just say I go scout random Jedi. If you see some guy just come running by, or standing around and not in your group, odds are that he's a BH looking for someone, or scouting for another BH. If you want, you can move. So the BH sees you somewhere, goes and gets your mission, but while he's gone you have moved.
Fact is, I shouldn't have to go through all of that. Each instance would have coding to determine the "location" of that area in reference to the rest of the "galaxy" just as every planet does. The instances within Kashyyk are quite similar to each planet within the galaxy as a whole. If droids can differentiate between planets, they should be able to differentiate between instances. My skills should work, and I sincerely believe they don't because Jedi get treated like favorites. 1/4 the BH skill tree is turned off on that planet, and Jedi are taking advantage of that fact.
Besides all of that crap, today while searching the instances, each instance had a full group of Jedi there. That's a lot of Jedi, and BHs can only do so much.
It's not that we can't kill you, and it's not that we can't find you. It's that we have skills to track you to find you to kill you, and those skills don't work on Kashyyk.
well my point is with this terrain bug , FINDING the jedi becomes the easy part.. if you cant even TARGET them due to this exploit whats the point in tracking them to kash?
the thing that really gets me is how smug they act while theyre exploiting ...
look at me i have to blatently cheat to become an uber jedi ..
/agree
So to add onto what I said before then, even after all the trouble you have to go to in order to find and kill your mark (even though it shouldn't be that hard, but my skills have been killed), you are bound to run into exploiters as well. I wonder honestly if there's ever been a time when there wasn't some bug to exploit that favored Jedi against BH.
OMG some of the cry babies decided to actualy hunt. Thats the best thing that has happened to the BH profession in a year, forcing people to become hunters instead of scavengers. And yes, that stupid terrain bug needs to be fixed, and it isnt an exploit, it hasnt been listed as an exploit. Maybe it is their to help the jedi stay safe? I think it was purposely done so that jedi would have one safe place to grindso thesalemen can soon release RETURN of the JEDI to SWG.
Need to make BH like jedi, a super elite class and nearly impossible to get. Then it will be a class to marvel at again with the less dilligent people becoming riflemen.
Aikes, I gotta say I disagree. Just because it has made the profession harder doesn't mean that it is a good thing. Being that you have a Bounty Hunter, I would think you would understand that by doing this, BH are being denied access to skills that they have earned. The most important skill at that. I don't know how many times I will say this, but try having Jedi lose their most important skill, and then tell me how much better it makes that profession. Maybe no more Aura, or maybe no more heals. Or perhaps no more lightsabers. I'm sure that would be an excellent idea, as it would force Jedi to work harder, right?
The idea that this makes BH into hunters and not scavengers is absurd at best. If we could track on Kashyyk, a Jedi there would be just like a Jedi anywhere else. The way Jedi grind there, the easiest thing to do is to go find a group of Jedi, take a mission on one of them, then wait for him or her to be most vulnerable, and then strike. It's not like the Jedi run when we show up. We just show up, wait, and then kill. We basically "scavenge" kills because we don't actually have to fight the Jedi. At least with droids we have to follow the Jedi around and HOPE to catch him or her unawares. We know that the Jedi on Kashyyk are easy prey once you find them.
Flat out, this is a stupid idea. There are four skill boxes that I devoted to being able to track Jedi, and on Kashyyk, those skill boxes are null and void. I don't even know how to express exactly what would be comparable to Jedi, because I don't know what skills I could take away that you would find most important. But imagine those skills gone, and maybe you'll have a sliver of an idea what this has done to BH who aren't more interested in their Jedi main slots.
heres a concept, with the CU being group focused it has made the jedi group to hunt and therefor more and more jedi are on the terminals. Well, I think you should clue in to this and realize that just like the Jedi you too should be in a group when running down to the webweaver path. Were forced to group, so are you. This game has become extremely difficult for the solo player and if the BHs would just make a small group you could all take missions with your marks on Kash and work as a friggin team to get to your marks, kill them, move on to the next instance and repeat. I dont think Jedi would be afk'ing there if every hour a BH group would come running through and kill 2-3 of the jedi.
Try this please. If you hate being forced into a group then maybe you can realize that we dont like it either, but we are doing what we have to do, just as you need to do what you have to do to finish the job.
As for the droids not working, I dont have an opinion yet whether this is fair or not. Sometimes I can sympathize, other times I think its good this way.
As for the LoS exploit, anyone using it to avoid a BH is wrong. Period.