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Thread: The real solution to the Jedi population problem
Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-2005 10:18 AM
Cartouche wrote:Simple. Put all FS characters on the terminals (including FS BH's of course). The moment you get the first visit from the old man, you become huntable.This would have several advantages:- It would really slow down the growth of the jedi population.- It would reduce the tension between the Jedi and BH communities.- It would give BH's more of a challenge (more CL80's, less low-level Paddawans).- Last but not least, it would give jedi-hunting BH's who grind FS at the same time a taste of their own medicine. I mean, don't you want to know how it feels to be sneaked upon when you're at 1/2 health?How do you like that?Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-200510:14 AM
Concerning the two points I highlighted:
The BH profession is not meant for Jedi population control. Although some BHs like to believe this, preventing another player from advancement in game is not the purpose of BH. BH is for people who enjoy stalking other players and doing sneaky attacks, and Jedi needed some form of punishment for showing off in public, so SOE decided BH would be able to hunt down Jedi using Force powers in public too often. Way too many BHs use "population control" as an excuse for griefing lower-level players.
To the second highlighted statement: BHs already have that choice. If a BH clicks refresh when he only sees 200k+ marks on the current page, it is his fault. BHs choose not to have a challenge they could have, in no way is the challenge missing.
So overall, I dont like it alone for the reasons outlined above. Now factor in that there are CL 1 crafters getting the FS crafting mastery trees and its definitely a no-go.
The BH profession is not meant for Jedi population control ... Way too many BHs use "population control" as an excuse for griefing lower-level players.
That's why the system needs to change. Right now, for too many people in the Jedi and BH's communities, this game is more about hate than fun. And it's having an impact on all the people we play with--not just jedi and BH's.
I'm fine with sneaky attacks, btw. Ihave much more respec fora BH whosneaks on his opponent than for a BH who brings friends to the party.
I was killed a couple of days by a BH who sneaked on me.I can't complain.He did his job correctly and I didn't. I wasn't watching the radar, I didn't have COB on, and I hadn't taken any food or spice. I'm CL80, so it's not like he was preying on the defenseless.
I just think communication between the different communities would be much better if some BH's experienced being hunted and sneaked upon. I think many BH's don't realize how big an advantage first strike can be if you know your job.
BHs already have that choice. If a BH clicks refresh when he only sees 200k+ marks on the current page, it is his fault.
That won't be true anymore after pub 20.
Now factor in that there are CL 1 crafters getting the FS crafting mastery trees and its definitely a no-go.
OK. What about this: you become huntable when you have 4FS branches. This allows crafters to grind Crafting Mastery in peace. They need combat skills to grind the two remaining branches.
A cap on FS XP would be needed, of course.
Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-2005 10:49 AM
To be Honest. I think a Bounty Hunter would love to be hunted.
Imagine, if you will, while tracking your mark. Someone else is tracking you. That would be very interesting and fun to be a part of. I wish when I was a Bounty Hunter they had that.
Being the profession it is, they are not really supposed to be hated but are not well liked in the fact they simply are hired assassins.
so in the case of the hunter also being the hunted sometimes, that would make for some very interesting PvP.
/discuss?
No player should be subject to progression slowdown because people think there is a "population problem".
The problem really is not that too many people become Jedi, the problem is that a lot of the full templated Jedi dont care about the current punishments for gaining visibility.
If the punishments from getting visibility and BH death would be more harsh, no Jedi would be dueling in starports or fight in the GCW all times. The problem is not that there are too many Jedi, the real problem is that people see too many Jedi. If Jedi would duke it out in the NW corner of Dathomir or in the Enclaves, nobody would be complaining about them.
You cant stop people from becoming Jedi, after all this is what SOE is advertising the game for and what some people buy it for.
well this may not be the most logical or the most truthful answer to why they show of in starports but I may have a theory on this matter.
It is beginning to become a bit more apparent as I struggle to survive being in the red zone (bounty worth 150-190k) that i see full templated jedi in the starports because of this.
simply "because they can". let me explain.
Being in the red zone is the worst time for a leveling jedi padawan. it is when they are most vulnerable to defeat and after they had dropped there non-jedi skills, they have not most of the defenses they need to survive. So after being killed 21 times (rhetorical figure, of course) and losing millions of experience points, when they do template, they will go to the star ports and show that they can survive now. (not saying that this is right by any means) but the fact that they can defend themselves now would make anyone (not just jedi) want to be able to show what they have to every one. it would be like (wow i made it through the red zone and i finally made it to template, now let them try and get me). that is the attitude for some. Again, it is not right in my opinion because of how i feel a Jedi should act but i think it is a logical reason for said actions of SPJ (star port Jedi).
thoughts?
/opinions on this?
/discuss
Cartouche wrote:
Simple. Put all FS characters on the terminals (including FS BH's of course). The moment you get the first visit from the old man, you become huntable.
This would have several advantages:
- It would really slow down the growth of the jedi population.
- It would reduce the tension between the Jedi and BH communities.
- It would give BH's more of a challenge (more CL80's, less low-level Paddawans).
- Last but not least, it would give jedi-hunting BH's who grind FS at the same time a taste of their own medicine. I mean, don't you want to know how it feels to be sneaked upon when you're at 1/2 health?
How do you like that?
I'm serious about that btw. The only problem would be how to treat the FS crafters. We can't have BH's hunt them.
Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-2005 10:18 AM
I have a problem with this. Through no real fault of my own, I became Force Sensitive.
It happened about two or three months ago. I have been playing since September 03. Apparently during that time, I met all the criteria for becoming Force Sensitive. I did not mean to do that. I visited theme parks and POIs as part of normal game play and exploration. I mastered the professions in which I was interested. It was an entirely organic process (and that's how becoming a Jedi should have been, in my opinion).
I ignored the Old Man for DAYS. He wouldn't give up. He stalked me. Everywhere I went, there was a commotion. LOL! People would gather and try to talk to him. People would yell at me, "Hey Lilac! The Old Man is here for you!"
I gave in finally and talked to him just to get on with life. I am not working on Jedi. I don't want to BE a Jedi.
I did not ASK to become Force Sensitive. I guess I could have avoided visiting POIs and theme parks, but that is CONTENT and there is not a whole lot of content for non-Jedi who have been playing for any length of time at all. I guess I could have NOT given in and talked to the Old Man, but he was getting in my way (and on my nerves). And those damn sith would keep spawning until I killed them and looted the damn crystal.
So, no, this is not a good idea. 
Message Edited by LM on 07-17-2005 11:05 AM
Cartouche wrote:
The BH profession is not meant for Jedi population control ... Way too many BHs use "population control" as an excuse for griefing lower-level players.
That's why the system needs to change. Right now, for too many people in the Jedi and BH's communities, this game is more about hate than fun. And it's having an impact on all the people we play with--not just jedi and BH's.
I'm fine with sneaky attacks, btw. Ihave much more respec fora BH whosneaks on his opponent than for a BH who brings friends to the party.
I was killed a couple of days by a BH who sneaked on me.I can't complain.He did his job correctly and I didn't. I wasn't watching the radar, I didn't have COB on, and I hadn't taken any food or spice. I'm CL80, so it's not like he was preying on the defenseless.
I just think communication between the different communities would be much better if some BH's experienced being hunted and sneaked upon. I think many BH's don't realize how big an advantage first strike can be if you know your job.
BHs already have that choice. If a BH clicks refresh when he only sees 200k+ marks on the current page, it is his fault.
That won't be true anymore after pub 20.
Now factor in that there are CL 1 crafters getting the FS crafting mastery trees and its definitely a no-go.
OK. What about this: you become huntable when you have 4FS branches. This allows crafters to grind Crafting Mastery in peace. They need combat skills to grind the two remaining branches.
A cap on FS XP would be needed, of course.Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-2005 10:49 AM
There's a simple solution to the Starport-Jedi problem: saber and force-use TEF on Corellia, Naboo, Tatooine, and even Dant (and Rori if anyone cares).
Butis "not seeing Jedi" whattheBH communityreallywants?
Message Edited by Cartouche on 07-17-2005 11:09 AM
Ohetie
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Removing XP loss and easing the grind of course, in addition to BH missions. Given that, I'll happily sign off on Templated Jedi being 1.0 as powerful as any other profession.
HyprHypo wrote:
sounds like a cool plan to implement after they balance the Jedi class. Removing XP loss and easing the grind of course.
Dude, i would LOVE IT
Slayer-Titan wrote:THERE IS NO SOLUTION>>>PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS WANNA BE JEDI... WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN! CALL FOR MORE POWER...NOT NERF OF OTHERS!
It would be easier to nerf a 1.5 template than to bring everyone else up to par