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Thread: Adv. Guide to BEs: Shame on SoE

MajorNME
Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:51 am
#1

/sign
jabon
Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:52 am
#2

^ are you kidding?



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MajorNME
Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:19 am
#3

well, no I wasnt kidding.

I thought it was obvious by now, but it seems thats not the case.

Read the so called "Advanced Guide for Bio-Engineers" then read the stickies above.
You will recognize that theres no difference.

SoE didn't put the least amount of effort in the so called "Advanced Guide for Bio-Engineers".
In other words "there's your guide, now shut up".

All of the information in the so called "Advanced Guide for Bio-Engineers" was put together by community members and not by SoE.

And therefore I have to repeat "Shame on you, SoE".
MarkiasAklar
Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:56 am
#4

/agree



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Tathace
Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:59 am
#5

i must say it is a great guide for the 80% of thenewBEsthat don't read the forums. and makes great virtual toilet paper.



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MadMaxPhantom
Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:13 am
#6

I like it. When it said "People may buy your clones for decoration", I felt that was very cute. It made me think of this newbie I sawwho was offering to sing for 100 credits.


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Vinaddar
Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:22 pm
#7

/agree


I think it is a slap in the face to the BE community to use what our brethren put together as the "Advanced Guide." Granted, it is very well made, and I would like to thank each of those who helped make it hapen for us. Well done there friends.


However, SOE did not add a damn thing to it. Where was their explanation as to how CL is determined? Where was their input at all?


And for that matter, why doesn't the CL show on the Genetic Template, since the creature & flora resources used to make the skin have no statistical impact on the outcome? This alone would be a huge benefit to see as we experiment the critter up to the level we seek. Why do we fail when sampling newly made creaturesin our own inventory (as opposed to sampling fully grown wild critters)? Why do we make skill enhancing tissues for basically every profession, yet cannot make a sampling bonus to help ourelves? Where are our droids to do the sampling for us--it is Star Wars, where droids do so much yet we ourselves are Mutant Rancor snacks? When will the Devs realize that BE's hand craft every pet and use one of a kind ingredients and so cannot just crank out dozens of attempts to get the right final result as other crafters do (Crit Falures decimate our limited supplyof rare DNA). And, finally, why do we fail so damn often when sampling things as an MBE? (fail 30 out of 31 tries on MR's one night, then 19 in a row on another night and you begin to hate the game--follow thatwith a crit failure on what little you gathered and you soon want to see the Devs spontaneously combust)


Sorry, rant off.


Vinaddar


meroc
Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:50 am
#8

With the invalid pet debacle, I was actually expecting them to let out the formula to calculate a creatures CL so we can at least make sure we aren't ripping people off. "Too good" just doesn't cut it as a guideline I'm afraid...



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Space_Gunny
Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:15 pm
#9

I figured the flames would come after reading this guide. I am kinda curious though, what did people really expect from them on this?? I mean you didn't actually expect them to sit down and say "Ok, here is our exact formula for determining the end result DNA template." ???



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NancyJ
Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:26 pm
#10



Space_Gunny wrote:
I figured the flames would come after reading this guide. I am kinda curious though, what did people really expect from them on this?? I mean you didn't actually expect them to sit down and say "Ok, here is our exact formula for determining the end result DNA template." ???





We wrent expecting exact forumla's at all - but we were expecting them to have made some sort of an effort - rather than copy and pasting the guide from our FAQ (stickied at the top of the forum) They didnt even bother to proof read it, remove the double sentences and spell check etc.

This guide was LONG overdue - they have been 'working hard' on it for months now (or so they kept telling us every friday when the guide didnt appear)

With all the BS about pet validity checks and newly crafted pet CL's not being valid we really hoped that this guide would give us some insight into **edit** we're doing.




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Albion_DeCrappa
Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:09 pm
#11

They didnt in any way confirm that the calcualtions were correct - they didnt even read it.
If they can be bothered to correct the spelling and grammar they certainly wouldnt have bothered correcting the information.


The fact that it was posted alone means that it's true. Do you honestly think that SoE would blatently lie to the community in a Guide, much less LucasArts allow it? Oh wait, Elvis and JFK are still alive. I forgot... Come on, pulling a stunt like that would be nearly comitting financial suicide. I could see maybe some things being off because they don't WANT to tell you those things, but not going over the entire piece of information and confirming that the process is mostly correct would be ignorant on their part. So much so that I can't believe that they would do that. If they have done that, and it is found that nothing of what TH said in that guide is true then you will see me quitting the game. But I have this feeling that TH went to the BE programmer, asked how correct the information formulated by the community was, was given an answer like "It's pretty damn close, I'd use it in the guide", and plagerised it. I see no problem with that, it is a guide after all, not a solution or a walkthrough.


Come on people, not everything is a consipiacy to get your money without giving anything back.





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NancyJ
Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:23 pm
#12

FYI there was incorrect information in the guide - it wasnt incorrect at the time of writting but it was certainly out of date by the time it was published




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NancyJ
Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:27 pm
#13

Have yo read the SOE official SKill tapes guide? Thats full of crap too.
They have in the past and will in the future release incorrect information.




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