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Message Edited by Albion_DeCrappa on 04-19-2004 12:58 PM

Both Elvis and JFK are dead, along with the credibility of the Dev's that posted the Advanced BE guide...

You may want to live in a "lala" land and ignore the fact that they posted our FAQ as the "Adanced BE Guide" (along with factual errors, spelling mistakes and grammar errors), but I find it very disapponting that Keldarin wasn't allowed to at least take a look at it and fix a few things up.

And in some waysthe guidedoes more harm than good as at least the FAQ thread has comments in it that state what is wrong with some of the data that Mirrl compiled...

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

They didnt in any way confirm that the calcualtions were correct - they didnt even read it.
If they can be bothered to correct the spelling and grammar they certainly wouldnt have bothered correcting the information.

The fact that it was posted alone means that it's true. Do you honestly think that SoE would blatently lie to the community in a Guide, much less LucasArts allow it? Oh wait, Elvis and JFK are still alive. I forgot... Come on, pulling a stunt like that would be nearly comitting financial suicide. I could see maybe some things being off because they don't WANT to tell you those things, but not going over the entire piece of information and confirming that the process is mostly correct would be ignorant on their part. So much so that I can't believe that they would do that. If they have done that, and it is found that nothing of what TH said in that guide is true then you will see me quitting the game. But I have this feeling that TH went to the BE programmer, asked how correct the information formulated by the community was, was given an answer like "It's pretty damn close, I'd use it in the guide", and plagerised it. I see no problem with that, it is a guide after all, not a solution or a walkthrough.

Come on people, not everything is a consipiacy to get your money without giving anything back.

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

Are you honestly stupid enough to have assumed that the Adv. BE Guild was going to contain any more information then it did?

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

The work that Sumo, Tal-N and the rest did on those formula for BE was awesome,

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

There's a thing called working experience. This is experience that cannot be taught in a book. It comes from wisdom not intelligence.

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

If they were to give us the entire formula there would be no working experience left in the game.

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

You know what happens then? I'd see everyone complaining about why a 2 day old Hologrinding Master BE can make the same quality pets as someone who's been in the profession for a year.

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

Then again, like I always say, what fun is playing a game of chess if you're given all queens and your opponent is given all pawns. But I guess you all would rather win the game then learn to play.

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Message Edited by Albion_DeCrappa on 04-20-2004 08:02 AM

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:

NancyJ: You think you've got a good idea how it works and you plan your move carefuly, then the computer beeps and says 'invalid move' and you dont know why its an invalid move and in fact you've seen the computer make almost exatly the same move... and it wont explain it.... to me, thats what BE is like

In all the time since the BE changes, I have never had this happen to me, save critical failures. If I take 5 DNA samples of the same quality from the same creature and put them into a template and get the same experimentation results, I get pretty much the same template. The fact that you are getting different results means that you're missing something in your calculations. Keep trying, you'll figure it out.

Message Edited by Albion_DeCrappa on 04-20-2004 08:02 AM

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Wow! That's patronizing! When you get off that horse let us know ok?

BTW, how many of us only use DNA from the same crature for our clones? I for one always mix DNA since I'm looking for something that you can't find in the wild. You know, the defining characteristic of the BE.

Message Edited by Kevm on 04-20-2004 10:14 AM

Message Edited by Kevm on 04-20-2004 10:14 AM

Iwork for a company in the gaming industry (no, I won't say which). I have a side project right now that I have to complete. Apparently there's some false information about one of our products in our internal database, and I have to research it. It's actually taking me quite some time to research, and I know I can probably go over to ign.com or gamefaqs.com and get the information from the fans, and hope it's correct. But, being honest,valuing my job, and respecting the guy who gave me the project and all, I refuse to do that, and I'm continuing to use any spare time I have (which isn't much) to research it.

Message Edited by Milarella on 04-20-2004 08:29 AM

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Albion_DeCrappa wrote:
[snip all his self-righteous craptrap]

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What did we expect, Mr. Crappa?

I'll tell you. We expected some concrete information from the devs about how the cloning system makes its Creature Level calculations, beyond the tentative conclusions that we'd already come to ourselves, i.e., Mirrl's guide. Why did we expect this? Several reasons:

1. They told us for months "we're working on it." What they gave us revealed that "we haven't started working on it yet" would have been more accurate. "We're working on it" set up the expectation that they were actually putting in ongoing work on it, and that it would meet the informational needs of the BE community. It didn't.

2. It was billed as an "advanced guide". What they gave us was a primer for newbies and aspiring BEs. As well as it does serve in that capacity, it was not what we had been led to expect.

3. The current fiasco with invalid pets has us unable to predict whether we'll produce a pet of the level the customer can use, and this is compounded by the fact that it is impossible to know if we've succeeded until after the transaction with the customer has been completed and they actually try to pull the pet out. No other profession in the game has this sort of lotto ticket approach. Imagine weaponsmiths trying to sell guns for which the buyer's weapon certifications might or might not apply, and with no way to know until they actually equipped it. It is on the devs' shoulders to either fix the code creating the buggy pets in the first place or else tell us how to reliably make a valid pet. This goes a good deal beyond the joy of discovery.

Message Edited by Zip_Moonblast on 04-20-2004 05:33 PM

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