Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Just can't bring myself to hang up my needles
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GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:54 am
#1
Well After getting killed 3x's yesterday for taking out scanning crews with my pets, I have come to realize it is too dangerous to be a Rebel with no combat skills. Evidently you now become overt when identified by a scanning crew as a rebel, until you die. I was jumped in Bestine by 5 Imps, without knowing how it was possible those scum bags killed my pets too. Then I went to Espa to buy pick up something from the Bazar, the place was CRAWLING with them! I Made it to the bank/ bazar area without incident, and while getting my item off the bazar I got scanned. So I had to kill another 10+ Storm troopers with my boys. Then another wave came, so I got out of Espa on foot. They did not pursue? I waited for the TEF to drop stored my boys, and pulled my lvl 65 Dewback mount (MAX). All the Stormtroopers were still red on the map. I picked the best route and galloped for the Star Port. Untimately it was lag that was my demise. When I came out of the Clone Center, It told me I had been turned back to Covert.
So I must drop my merchant skills, and can't in good concience keep the vendors up with no skills. So I will have to sell my pets on an unmarked bulky vendor. 
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.I have replaced my stupid Merchant skills with Brawler one-armed skills... I hit one-armed 3 last night, wahoo already doing 700pts of dmg!
Message Edited by GMANHNC on 06-18-2004 10:41 AM
NancyJ
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:12 am
#2
Would it not be simpler to give up being a rebel? 
Thats what I did - you simply cant be a crafter in a faction sadly.
Thats what I did - you simply cant be a crafter in a faction sadly.
GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:23 am
#3
It is a good thought, but I don't really want to be just a crafter... Last night I took 3 noobies who had just bought non-ch mounts from my vendor out to the squill cave, I had my pets tank for them, and I healed them all, but couldn't fire a single shot. I remebered how fun it was. I guess, and just tired of doing stuff alone all the time.
Seraphym14
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:26 am
#4
I disagree.
I am a Rebel. Having a faction means you understand that you are playing a harder game. Folks who join a faction for the novelty of it will certainly be more distraught by the outcome of their trivial choices.
There are many crafters who chose faction for reasons and understood the choice.
Good sir, if you enjoyed being a Bio Engineer and enjoy playing under a faction, I hope you know you do not have to chose one or the other.
/bow
I am a Rebel. Having a faction means you understand that you are playing a harder game. Folks who join a faction for the novelty of it will certainly be more distraught by the outcome of their trivial choices.
There are many crafters who chose faction for reasons and understood the choice.
Good sir, if you enjoyed being a Bio Engineer and enjoy playing under a faction, I hope you know you do not have to chose one or the other.
/bow
GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:43 am
#5
Seraphym14 wrote:
I disagree.
I am a Rebel. Having a faction means you understand that you are playing a harder game. Folks who join a faction for the novelty of it will certainly be more distraught by the outcome of their trivial choices.
There are many crafters who chose faction for reasons and understood the choice.
Good sir, if you enjoyed being a Bio Engineer and enjoy playing under a faction, I hope you know you do not have to chose one or the other.
/bow
Well said, but the problem is that I am always alone, and if I get scanned, and there are IMP players around I am dead. I guess I should have clarified better, this is more the last straw kind of thing. I have never wanted any part of merchant, but could not get the time of day from any to sell my pets. I have 143 on my vendor right now.I don't like being out in the wild not being able to support my pets, or others. I feel like an idiot just standing there. My pets do a good job, but I want to be involved. Loaner trips to Endor and Doth were fun, but it gets old. You get your waypoints and you go there and find what you need consistantly, and go home. Where I craft infront of my spectacualr machine, alone. When I go out with a group, I gain nothing. I get no XP, totally maxed on everything, money doesn't really mater, so mostly I just waste my good pet stims.
Seraphym I love that they make you covert, when you get scanned, I think that makes it cooler to be a Rebel, I love living in fear in games it makes it so much more interesting, in fact I miss the At-St's everywhere that was so much more fun when they were around. It's just that I can't defend myself, and Pets are useless in PVP.
Akelan
Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:52 am
#6
I can commiserate about the amount of time you spend alone as a BE, especially if your focus is on pets. There is just nothing anyone can do to help gather DNA, and pretty much anyone else around is either going to be bored to death whenever they are not overwhelmed by an entire lair that has aggroed on you, or a hindrance, based on the vagaries with mask scent. Two people near the same lair is 4x the aggro most often, and even a ranger with camo skills that can help you locate mobs to sample has to stay pretty far back to avoid that problem. If you're hunting for DNA as well as meats, it is a trade-off, you only get meat when you fail getting all the DNA you hope for.
I understand, and I seriously dislike the NPC scanning crews to begin with; they offer nothing as far as content but provide hours of frustration. You can become covert in an hour after being scanned, if you make it to a starport, get to a rebel recruiter and request the covert status, then wait out the status for the hour.
Part of my issue with the scanning crews has been their prevalence in remote areas where I sample particularly valuable DNA. I have been scanned and TEF'ed no less than 3 times while running from mobs I aggroed in the course of sampling, simply because I did not choose to stand and die while the lovely NPC griefers did their thing.
You get two choices: be a faction member and have the chance of doing some of the content in a faction-based group when you are not soloing for DNA or crafting, or be neutral and a crafter with little or no other activities open to you. I would be very interested to see the numbers of those completing the recent "neutral" missions to the corvette or the deathwatch bunker - I think it would take every neutral combat profession player I have met on the server to form a single group capable of doing the bunker.
All those, and the other little minor annoyances like pet checks aside, I'll hate to see you go; even if we have often disagreed here it has been with intelligent arguments and opinions based on reason and experience, and you've provided some excellent help and great lines of questioning for all of us to pursue. I think you'll miss it as well; there simply is nothing else in game as complex and fascinating, despite the problems, and you have been in the thick of it for long enough that you'll find the rest a refreshing change for a while, but pretty hollow in comparison after it is said and done.
/salute
LLan
ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:22 am
#7
I just wanted to point out a couple of things (these are mainly in response to some of the replies, not the original post):
1)the problem is not being factioned, it's being rebel. As a covert imp with no combat skills I assure you that I have no such problems. Every once in a while I get knocked off my bike and searched, and I've even been fined a couple of times, but that's the extent of it. And soon I'll be high enough level that they will just say "sorry sir" when they run into me (gotta love that, lol).
2) you are not procluded from doing a corvette "neutral" mission if you are part of a faction. My bh character is also a covert imp and he did it with a combination of neutrals, imps, and rebs.
I hate to see active members of the community leave, but on the other hand I think the implementation of the "stormtrooper griefing" is not necessarily a bad thing for the game. The game had two pretty serious problems with respect to the GCW. There was no "penalty" for being rebel. Being rebel is a choice and because of it's counter-authority nature it really does need to have some inconveniences. Second, rebels outnumber imps like 2-1 which of course is laughable. So I think what they did was pretty reasonable. Only real question is whether they went far enough.
It really comes down to a pretty simple choice. If you don't care about the GCW and you don't want to participate in faction type content, choose neutral. If you want to participate in some of the faction content and like the RP aspects of it, and are willing to accept the inconveniences, by all means choose Rebel. If not, choose Imp.
Join the Empire! you know you want to, lol
Good luck
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-16-2004 10:27 AM
GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:33 am
#8
Akelan wrote:
All those, and the other little minor annoyances like pet checks aside, I'll hate to see you go; even if we have often disagreed here it has been with intelligent arguments and opinions based on reason and experience, and you've provided some excellent help and great lines of questioning for all of us to pursue. I think you'll miss it as well; there simply is nothing else in game as complex and fascinating, despite the problems, and you have been in the thick of it for long enough that you'll find the rest a refreshing change for a while, but pretty hollow in comparison after it is said and done.
/salute
LLan
/sniff
Thanks, although I must say, I was half tempted to go through and give you points. but decided your score would have been off the charts (the good way, not the "ken u mke me A rekar wit 900+dgm?" way lol, so it wouldn't have been very funny.
well I am a casual player so it will take me a while to get high enough in fencer for me to have to drop BE skills, so I will drop by from time to time, it just won't be my focus anymore. Who knows, maybe they will add flying mounts and or 8 Nargalatch Bobsled teams, or DNA storage (HA HA)..... and maybe change my mind.
Sorry to those on Gorath, I am leaning toward the Bazar flood of high end pets, but don't worry, I will only put one or two out a day, so some jerk doesn't buy em all and get rich off em.
GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:42 am
#9
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Join the Empire! you know you want to, lol
Good luck
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-16-2004 10:27 AM
I actually resigned as a Rebel the other week, becuase I really want a set of Storm Trooper Armor, but doing IMP missions trying to just make up for my -5000 was just obsurd, I did 5 or so missions and hadn't even accumulated 100pts. So I decided to do what's right and fight for freedom, or in my case die for it. lol But serously with no chance of ever controling my own deathstar is it really worth being Imp.?
Arthur my friend you are just a pawn in the Emperor's game of evil. Maybe some day he will visit your zoo.
Also I agree should be more of a pain to be a Rebel. I love running for my life! On the other hand would like to be able to defend it if absolutely necessary. I was thinking of going Carbineer since it so bugged, thought it would make me feel more at home. Just kidding. We aren't that bugged, although I do think it's dumb that our best clothing tissues can't reach +25, maybe it's just me, but why even experiment on them, you will need two regaurdless.
ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:49 am
#10
ah, see, that's the common misconception. People often underestimate the power of the Imperial tailor has in the GCW. Some day I'll be running the show. Imperial General/scientist/tailor, that's my biggest aspiration in the game, rofl.
GMANHNC wrote:
Arthur my friend you are just a pawn in the Emperor's game of evil. Maybe some day he will visit your zoo.
NancyJ
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:11 am
#11
used to be a rebel, now i'm a law abiding citizen of the empire - with a shop just outside anchorhead
Being a rebel was fine when it meant running a few errands or shooting some imperials with my CDEF for a bit of fun but one day I was out shopping for supplies and in a semi afk way (oops) and in the middle of nowhere someone had placed a base - this was nowhere near any cities or POIs, just slap bang in the middle of no-where - I know where the imp cities are and I dont go there, but it has covert scanners and in the space of 4 seconds I was turned overt and shot down by an automated turret - which was fun.
So I decided to resign.
Its not just the Stormtroopers that are the problem, covert scanners can be put pretty much anywhere so it affects any faction. I think the concept of only PvPing when you choose to is totally gone.
If you are in a faction you have to be prepared to PvP 100% of the time - just in case.
Being a rebel was fine when it meant running a few errands or shooting some imperials with my CDEF for a bit of fun but one day I was out shopping for supplies and in a semi afk way (oops) and in the middle of nowhere someone had placed a base - this was nowhere near any cities or POIs, just slap bang in the middle of no-where - I know where the imp cities are and I dont go there, but it has covert scanners and in the space of 4 seconds I was turned overt and shot down by an automated turret - which was fun.
So I decided to resign.
Its not just the Stormtroopers that are the problem, covert scanners can be put pretty much anywhere so it affects any faction. I think the concept of only PvPing when you choose to is totally gone.
If you are in a faction you have to be prepared to PvP 100% of the time - just in case.
GMANHNC
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:21 am
#12
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
ah, see, that's the common misconception. People often underestimate the power of the Imperial tailor has in the GCW. Some day I'll be running the show. Imperial General/scientist/tailor, that's my biggest aspiration in the game, rofl.
GMANHNC wrote:
Arthur my friend you are just a pawn in the Emperor's game of evil. Maybe some day he will visit your zoo.
But without a Death Star? C'mon
Speaking of which, I hope they some day have a Death Star In space to go visit fight around, fight through, etc.
Seraphym14
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:39 am
#13
I have been scanned so many times, I have honestly lost count. Stopped counting after 50. I've never been fined, turned overt or had anything more than a 2 minute intermission while the scan was happening. My husband jokes about it. I joke about it. I now /say "This one is clean, they can go. Move along, citizen" to the stormtroopers. I'm full of sliced gear and spices. Hubby swears the stormtroopers only stop me to pat me down (I'm a twi'lek).
If you are in a faction you have to be prepared to PvP 100% of the time - just in case
I agree 100%. Half a box from Master Rifleman, which isn't listed in my .sig file and won't be for obvious reasons. I joined when I *was* ready to defend my city and myself all the time. I have a large client base of Imperial customers that are sure their credits don't have faction but if one of them ganks me unfairly or attacks the city I live in, they get perma-house banned. Trust me, I don't go back to my ban list and change it. The few of my Imperial clients that know I am a rebel condone my status by continuing to give me their credits and they are just as lawless as I am for doing so.
If you are in a faction you have to be prepared to PvP 100% of the time - just in case
I agree 100%. Half a box from Master Rifleman, which isn't listed in my .sig file and won't be for obvious reasons. I joined when I *was* ready to defend my city and myself all the time. I have a large client base of Imperial customers that are sure their credits don't have faction but if one of them ganks me unfairly or attacks the city I live in, they get perma-house banned. Trust me, I don't go back to my ban list and change it. The few of my Imperial clients that know I am a rebel condone my status by continuing to give me their credits and they are just as lawless as I am for doing so.
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