Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Our answer on ranged attacks by TH
Message Edited by SomeUser on 06-10-2004 07:22 PM
Vezek
Bio-Engineer
What type of damage do creature ranged attacks do and is it the same type of damage for all BE pets and wild creatures?
Bioengineered pets do kinetic damage. Wild animals do a variety of ranged damage types based on their creature type.
I dunno... I sort of get the impression that TH had a hard time understanding this simple question....
So BE clones do kinetic range damage, wild animals do a variety of different ranged damage based on creature type.... I guess it is possible but it just doesnt make sense why they would set it up that way.
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-10-2004 06:06 PM
How was the question poorly worded or vague? It was specific and you just don't like the answer. If you actually think they would provide you a list of all the creatures types and the damage they do you're crazy.
Meplorium wrote:
The question was worded very poorly and vague and therefor we got a very vague answer. I will note tailors had a very direct and well writen question and ended up with an answer that did not address their question other than, yeah it should work, we'll see what can be done.
Meplorium wrote:
Simply providing a sentence or two of background information on what we are asking would have made sure everyone is on the same page. Both question and answer are vague and can be interpreted in different ways. I'll take the answer at face value though.
Meplorium wrote:
There has been a debate about what kind of damage ranged attacks performed by creatured do. Some believe it is kinetic while other acid. BEs able to make different damage types into their animals is a very attractive idea. What damage type is ranged attack and could we see animals in the future that can do different damage types to make both BE/CH more interesting as well as fighting PvE more interesting?
Now lets see.
"There has been a debate about what kind of damage ranged attacks performed by creatured do." Well of course there is a question about the type of damage, otherwise we wouldn't be asking. Duh.
"Some believe it is kinetic while other acid. " irrelevant
"BEs able to make different damage types into their animals is a very attractive idea." Has nothing to do with the question itself.
"What damage type is ranged attack ..." Finally, the question.
"and could we see animals in the future that can do different damage types to make both BE/CH more interesting as well as fighting PvE more interesting?" Completely different question that we know will just get us a 'That may be something we can look into in the future, but there isn't any plans for that now.
So yeah, I guess your way would have been such a better way to ask the same question, and add another question to the end. What would we do without your teachings? Oh yeah, that's right. Get the answer to a simple question.
Message Edited by Kevm on 06-10-2004 11:55 PM
Kevm wrote:
Meplorium wrote:
Simply providing a sentence or two of background information on what we are asking would have made sure everyone is on the same page. Both question and answer are vague and can be interpreted in different ways. I'll take the answer at face value though.
Ha. I'd like to know how you would interpret the original question as anything other than us wanting to know what type of damage ranged attacks do, and if its the same for BE or wild creatures. That entire post and you didn't provide anyway that simple question could be misunderstood.
How I would interpret the question is not relievent, it is how they would interpret it. Many of those '19 questions' get answers thathave seemly nothing to do with the question or the question somehow gets dodge. This means you want to ask direct yet clear questions that can not be misinterpreted so your question doesn't get an answer that 'misses the point'.
If you had wanted to know what damage was done by each and every creature in the game, then that's a different question, and not one you'll get an answer to since they have said time and again they will not divulge a lot of the inner workings of the game.
Funny, I can get all the different resists and armor type by justexamining the creature. Put in some scount and ranger skills and I can get the CL and special attacks. Not exactly sure what game you are playing, but the game I am playing that sort of information is given up front and in game.Damage type is consistant with the information that is already given in game.
you want to know all the damage types, thenits time to get yourself out there and figure it out for yourself.
No, product information needs to be providedby the game manufacture not the end user/customer.
Edit: Here is the way you had originally asked the similar question:
Meplorium wrote:
There has been a debate about what kind of damage ranged attacks performed by creatured do. Some believe it is kinetic while other acid. BEs able to make different damage types into their animals is a very attractive idea. What damage type is ranged attack and could we see animals in the future that can do different damage types to make both BE/CH more interesting as well as fighting PvE more interesting?
Now lets see.
"There has been a debate about what kind of damage ranged attacks performed by creatured do." Well of course there is a question about the type of damage, otherwise we wouldn't be asking. Duh.
Exactly, gives a reason to why the question is being asked. This personalizes the question in such a way that it may be handled a bit better rather than glossed over. There is a subtle yetpowerful political way to get your questions answered. Meaning and importance in a questions is a good thing.
"Some believe it is kinetic while other acid. " irrelevant
Relevent, defines what is actually being asked as opposed to something like ranged vs melee vs special attack vs poison vs disease vs wound chance vs ect....
"BEs able to make different damage types into their animals is a very attractive idea." Has nothing to do with the question itself.
The whole point of the question and why it is being asked by BEs and not CHs or the core system. Again demostrates importance of the question and why we care about this question. If we do not care about the question, they won't care about it either.
"What damage type is ranged attack ..." Finally, the question.
The whole thing is the question and each part is needed to fully communicate what is the question, why we care aboutthis issueand where we would like to see this topic go.
"and could we see animals in the future that can do different damage types to make both BE/CH more interesting as well as fighting PvE more interesting?" Completely different question that we know will just get us a 'That may be something we can look into in the future, but there isn't any plans for that now.
Very good follow up question to whatever answer is given allowing for more information to be given. The standard wait till after JTL answer is likely, but it gets that concept out there. The more an idea floats around the more likely it is to be addressed. This is always a good thing.
So yeah, I guess your way would have been such a better way to ask the same question, and add another question to the end. What would we do without your teachings? Oh yeah, that's right. Get the answer to a simple question.
Thank you for proving my point that two different people see the same question differently. In the future we will need to ask if we can get something other than kinetic damage on our pets when the whole topic itself was already on the table. The oppertunity to kill two birds with one stone was missed. Only once every other week are given the chance to have a concern of ours address along with 19 others. That isn't much at all and you don't want to waste oppertunities. The fact that there are 19 others is why you really need to define what it is you are talking about. TH has a lot of different things to address that and there are 19 unrelated issues for the most part. It is very easy to not get the point of one of those questions, especially on the day you get back from vaction.
BTW thanks for trolling, I am guessing you are done now?
Message Edited by Kevm on 06-10-2004 11:55 PM
That would be the answer(s) I am looking for and would fully address this issue with me at least. Thanks.
NancyJ wrote:
Things I will be trying to get more info on next week:
Why BE pets only do kinetic
The chances of the system being changed to take into consideration the damage type of the donor (or skin)
Clarification on 'creature types'
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Grrrrr. That really sucks. "creature type"? what the hell is that? Does that indicate that there is some type of creature classification that we're not aware of.
Man, that would really be sweet if the creature skin *did* have some baring on the damage type a BE's pet did. Just think, we could tailor a pet to a specific use (e.g. ranged electric damage and 100% stun resists) or something crazy like that.
Hehe, oh well, at least I feel good about the fact that we're one of the only professions that didn't get a "yes that is possible" or "no, there are no plans for that" answer, lol.
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-10-2004 06:06 PM
That is exactly what I am hoping for too. Tailor make the pets to work good in specific situations. I am sure armorsmiths and PvE hunters would like to know these creature types too. That answer only made for more questions without addressing what we were getting at.
Message Edited by Meplorium on 06-11-2004 01:11 AM
Meplorium wrote:
I am guessing you are done now?
Message Edited by Kevm on 06-11-2004 10:24 AM
TH asked for the question as soon as he got back from his vacation, in total there was about 5 hours from TH asking for questions and them going live, TH is doing his best to keep on a weekly schedule despite any interruptions - such as him being on holiday for a week. But this leaves very little time.
Knowing that there was little time, I posed a simple question which asked exactly what we wanted to know (and a little more).
Approx 2 hours later TH comes back with the answers and asks us all to comment on them. I asked if he could possibly expand in the areas mentioned above and he responded that I should remind him next week in a 'pipeline' thread and he would respond more fully.
The 'pipeline threads' are high visibility threads that are guarenteed to be read by TH and the devs, and any responses given in those threads are 100% quotable.
For any other information we want to pass on from the forums we have to ask for specific permission to do so, except for anything in the pipeline thread.
Next week when TH posts the pipeline thread I will repost these questions - and any others on a related topic you wish me to ask and when TH has the time to get a full answer to us, I will relay it to you.
I would also ask you both to read the sticky at the top of the forum regarding my attitude towards forum conduct and think carefully before posting.
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-11-2004 11:30 AM