Bio Engineer Archive

Message Edited by Spazzers on 02-04-2005 10:42 AM

Lift the cap, but you will have to add some stuff. As of now, we can add up to +25 MS to clothing, raise MS a lil say +5 for Master level BIO's and give armors smiths the ability to camo and MS our armor to take on higher levels when they get upset ... hehe. Also, how about larger trapping systems or tranquilizer guns for taking out large prey that disable an animal giving you the ability to sample w/o getting busted down. If you use a high level tranq on a uber animal, it can weaken the bars till it incaps but doesnt die. If you use a high level tranq on a lower level, then it kills them. That way you dont lose the way its done now where you have to milk lairs for harvesters and worry about aggro, cuz tranqs might kill them, thereby you losing the DNA.

You can control the balence of powerful beasts like that shown, by lowering the vitality of each creature depending on the higher the level that they are. So if Master CH XXX (the only guy who can control it) buys Super Gurreck CL 70 off Master BIO XXX (the only guy that can craft it) then this super beast will only be able to die, say 1 time? Hi costs, hi pentaly for its death. This keeps business flowing, and those that might be on the recieveing end of a such a beast the knowledge that if they can take it out, they wont be haunted by it forever. This HIGHER level DNA would need to be so rare that the means of devleoping such a beast will be drastically limited. To see one or two would be one thing, but to see a forumla get out that overloads the server with those type beasts would be more of a balence issue than actually seeing rare ones. Perhaps the creature that can release this DNA for crafting can only be found by a Ranger and not in a static location =). When the word gets out a spawn is coming, it makes the hunt a glorious thing.

If i make certain assumptions that SWG is going to add planets some where along the line, and one of the most wanted planets pre game launch was "Hoth" then the idea of Faction only pets come to mind. The Rebels on Hoth used that beast that luke and solo rode at the beginning of Empire Strikes back. This would be an example of a faction pet that only rebels can use and mount. The imperials can have their own too though nothing jumps to mind.

What about profession specific pets? Bounty Hunters can have a new cat or dog type pet that is a blood hunter. They use it like a seeker droid, but only BH can use them for hunting their prey. Anyone else think of a profession specific pet? If Hoth ever shows up, the big beast that caught Luke would make a new good vicious high level pet for CH's.

When we say "pet" we dont really mean pet. Pet refers to an animal owned and controlled by another player. But essentially, they are tanks, or side kicks in combat, how about adding true pets. Jabba use to have that small monkey thing that sat there by his side and caused trouble and talked pet lip or laughed at everyone. Thats a true pet. Perhaps you can add a real "pet" that can follow its owner, or roam your house and it randomly interacts with the environment and does funny stuff or says silly things.

Just some quick thoughts to help get the ball rolling.

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Spazzers wrote:

Does it really make sense to sample a CL80 animal if I can only sell CL70's? Sure I can mix one sample of CL80 DNA with much lower DNA but if the end effect is still a CL70, given the stat caps such as 60% kinetic, did I really need to go after DNA from the CL80 to begin with?

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ArthurDentOnBria wrote:

Well, imagine trying to make a CL 20 animal from dna that is strictly CL 25 and below. It would be terrible right? The idea is of course that you mix some higher level dna into whatever CL you are making, in an attempt to make the creature share some important attributes of the higher level critter. There's currently really no opporrunity to do that with CL 70's.

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Yeah the CL80 was a poor choice of numbers. I should have picked something like CL128 with medium armor. The intent of the post still applies in that the stats still cap. The HAM and the armor is the variable.

It would seem theonly realbenefit to risking numerous deaths would be to craft an animal with medium armor.

I have yet to see any real reason to have a sampling cap. Some CH's will be mad because their natural pets won't be anything near as good as BE pets, but they complain about this now. I understand their point, but I don't think it's valid. Most of the CH's I know would rather get somewhere closer to the combat effectiveness of a sowrdsman or tka.

If they wanted to limit pets in some way the vitality might be a good way to go. Have the vitality reduced by according to % damage taken by the pet. Something like 1 point of vitality loss for every 45% health or action or mind damage the pet takes. It makes the stronger pets last longer, and the weaker pets get used up faster. Kinda makes sense to me.
I know that this might not be popular with the CH's. Considering that it is very possible for their weapons (pets) to never decay in the current system they don't have much room to complain about it. It would just be a tradeoff I think many would welcome.

Medium armor might be a sore spot. I'm with Lloyd on this one, just put it back in the game for natural pets. People will still use ours because ours are custom made to their needs/desires.

*edit I should check spelling closer on these posts*

Message Edited by PlainWhiteSocks on 02-04-2005 04:06 PM

Should the current, apparent cap of CL 70 be raised or done away with? If so, how usefulwouldthat be given our mask scent limitations? Yes, Do away with the Cap. The persistant and Lucky would still get samples. The unlucky (Me) would still try but be frustrated.

Knowing that the result of adding the ability to sample high level creatures will result in pets like this, how do you think this will affect game-balance? This wouldcurrently MCH a more appealing profession for some. In PvP it still won't make a differnce as the players will still target the MCH and not the Pet

What creatures that are currently in the game would you like to be able to sample? All of them. Kimo's, Gorax, Acient Bull Rancor's, ect

What new creatures (if you have specifics) would you like to see added? Any between level 60 - 70 (current sampleing cap). It doesn't really matter what it is as long as there are more varity and a couple of "static" spawns to pick them out at.

--I started BE because of all the possibilites that could be made, as I worked towards MBE found it wasn't so. After the BE revamp it was cool, so many choices and possibilites. Since than there has been very little change/varity to what players want,limiting what creatures you need to get samples from to create a "viable" pet. Making BE just like the other crafting professions (the number of Merek Harvestors I had to sample, ugh).Once you got a formula down, it's just rinse and repeat until the durni's come home. To me adding more sampleable pets would at least generate some varity at the top end and create some challange/fun again. Also possibly strengthing maskscent against the higher level creatures making it reasonable to get close to them....heck that might bring me back to the game.

Definate yes. even if the cl cap is raised (or preferably deleted) and CH's still can't use over cl 70 then there will be differences such as the much better high-level pets that arthur has made on tc, but imo that would be better for both the BE profession and the CH profession because it gives them more value in their pet and we have a wider variety of creatable pets.

Grozzer Agoutt
Kauri
MBE/Sentinel

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droid327 wrote:

I seem to remember someone (lammergeier?) with a bunch of high level legacy DNA saying how the really high level stuff caps out at 1500 stats across the board? If this is true, then it doesnt matter how high we can sample, since all the DNA past a certain point, I think it was like CL125, is going to be identical in the crafting process. Peko Peko Albatross will become the new MH =)

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specifically:
all stats are capped at 1000 on samples (assembly can increase this, but no experimentation is allowed at 90%ish+).
CL80+ can cap stats on DNA.
a PURESTRAIN clone with such DNA and experimentation ends up in the CL128 range.
a CL65ish clone with medium armor is possible.
the game 'filters' AR2 pets: they are marked as 'invalid' once tamed and stored, and cannot be called again.
there are already hardcaps on kinetic and energy resists (60%).