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Thread: From the Stratics chat more BS

AnakinsClone
Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:06 pm
#1

[17:15] [Brannoc] *puddy* Hi, with the implementation of the Droid Invasion, many DE's feel cheated. The "combat droids" are much lower than BE'd pets, and more or less useless in all but the lowest level combat, what can you say to the DE's that are dropping the profession because they feel let down ? Thanks

[17:16] [Keldarin] We know that level 10 BE pets are still overpowered. We are still trying to tweak the power levels of the low level cloned pets.

[17:16] [Keldarin] The goal is to get the droids to be comparable in power to those cloned pets.






I wish the DE's would stop trying to knife us in the back.


And I love how Keldarin gives more information to the DE's about our class than he will to us. God forbid he actually talk to a BE and give some kind of explination. I'd settle for just about anything other than "oh, we're going to nerf you guys again"



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Valeser
Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:17 pm
#2

ARGH!!!!!

they are gonna nerf us till there is no one left!!!!



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Ameoba
Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:20 pm
#3

They are just doing the same things we did.


Sony - Droids will be lvl 10 pets

BE's - If thats the case then there is something wrong with our pets!

DE's - Shut up and stop trying to get our pets nerfed

Sony - Nerfs Droids

DE's - Now our pets are garbage compared to BE'd pets

BE's - Shut up and stop trying to get our pets nerfed!


This is going to happen over and over until sony gets off it's ass and TELLS US WHAT CL 10 PETS SHOULD BE!



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NancyJ
Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:34 am
#4



AnakinsClone wrote:
[17:15] [Brannoc] *puddy* Hi, with the implementation of the Droid Invasion, many DE's feel cheated. The "combat droids" are much lower than BE'd pets, and more or less useless in all but the lowest level combat, what can you say to the DE's that are dropping the profession because they feel let down ? Thanks

[17:16] [Keldarin] We know that level 10 BE pets are still overpowered. We are still trying to tweak the power levels of the low level cloned pets.

[17:16] [Keldarin] The goal is to get the droids to be comparable in power to those cloned pets.

I wish the DE's would stop trying to knife us in the back.
And I love how Keldarin gives more information to the DE's about our class than he will to us. God forbid he actually talk to a BE and give some kind of explination. I'd settle for just about anything other than "oh, we're going to nerf you guys again"





They're not giving more information to the DE's than us, they told us weeks ago that our CL 10's were still overpowered.




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Astronaut_jones
Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:32 am
#5

I am master DE and am 1/1/4/1 BE currently. If DEs had any influence whatsoever over the developement of this game we wouldn't be in the shape we are in now. What happened was that the devs nerfed droids that were already crap and as a result CL10 pets looked over-powered in comparison. Had they not touched droids there would be no reason to lessen the power of the CL10 pet. It is akin to two kids arguing over who has the bigger piece of pie. The father settles this by taking a bite of one to even it out, only he takes too much and has to do the same to the other piece. Soon there is nothing left for either child.
DataOutlaw
Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:41 am
#6






NancyJwrote:

They're not giving more information to the DE's than us, they told us weeks ago that our CL 10's were still overpowered.




Thank you for that rare bit of common sense!


What I would like to see happen at this point is have no more invalid pets. If they tweak the crafting system so that we can no longer make 4k/3k/2k HAM pets thats fine but let the existing ones stay inthe game just like the pre-nerf 3k HAM probots that are still in the game. I also think that since they wiped out the medium armo ron probots (which really made no sense in the first place) that they should increase the HAM of a fully powered CL10 combat droid to 3k anyway. BE pets will still be better since they can be buffed while a Probot can not and they can keep up with a landspeeder (cat typrsd anyway) and they can be used as mounts. But letting the 3K HAM probot come back will even the playing field. If our CL10 pets get nerfed down to 1k HAM that will be bad....


Templar1865
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:37 am
#7

"They're not giving more information to the DE's than us, they told us weeks ago that our CL 10's were still overpowered. "


Nancy--have to disagree with you here. Weeks ago, we were told that there would be NO "corrections" to CL10 pets in pub7. Then they popped it on us anyway. I for one thought to myself, after a fair bit of grumbling, "Fine. At least now we can get on with things. Two swats at CL10 pets should do the trick."


What we're seeing from the comment on Stratics is that the devs STILL think that, after two fixes, the pets are too powerful. This means that we can look forward to a THIRD (and perhaps a fourth, and a fifth....) nerf to the CL10 pets. All without Keldarin or one of his colleagues informing us what their "ideal" CL10 pet should be (or anything else meaningful about our profession).


So, instead of communicating through Talthazar, "Hey, we did a second correction in publish 7--sorry for making you look like an idiot there, Talth--but we're still not happy. We're going to reduce their power again in the future," we have to get this information through an interview on a third party site in a question posed by a droid engineer. Not a good way to enhance customer relations.
Bonedome
Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:10 pm
#8






NancyJwrote:

They're not giving more information to the DE's than us, they told us weeks ago that our CL 10's were still overpowered.




Thank you for that rare bit of common sense!


Actually, that's _not_ common sense.


Common sense would be more along the lines of "here's what a BE CL10 can be <insert detailed description here> and anything more powerful than that will be nerfed".


That way, if we made something outside those boundries we'd know that it would (eventually) be invalid, and if we made something within those limits it would be immune to invalidation whenever they get around to making a pet-validity check that works.


Saying "BE CL10s are overpowered" isa useless, generic statement that provides us with no information. All of them? Some of them? Until we are given an actual description of what the limits are, we are on perpetual nerf-alert.


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Seiryuu
Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:35 pm
#9

This is going to happen over and over until sony gets off it's ass and TELLS US WHAT CL 10 PETS SHOULD BE!

Bageraset - CL 10, 900 HAM, 90-110 damage, intimidate, ranged attack, stun vulnerable.
Carrion Spat - CL 10, 1100 HAM, 90-110 damage, stun, stun vulnerable.
Female Forest Slice Hound - CL 10, 750 HAM, 130-140 damage, posture down, stun vulnerable.

It would seem they consider a CL 10 to be 1000 HAM, 100 damage, one common special and no resistances. Assuming they will let you get a small amount of an upgrade for being bio-engineered, this is essentially what they want.

Until they reach this level, I suspect the nerfs will continue.



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Valeser
Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:42 pm
#10

i just wondered if anyone can seemy posts? please post back with this quoted... thanks



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Shaylin
Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:43 pm
#11






Valeser wrote:
i just wondered if anyone can seemy posts? please post back with this quoted... thanks







I can see it. If you can't, perhaps you have your setting set so you don't see one star posts.... I noticed your post further up only had two stars, so maybe it had one earlier?


Just guessing, I didn't one star anyone.



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Valeser
Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:52 pm
#12

Cool thanks, i can see them, buti havent been getting any responses to any of my other posts... mabye no one cares about me lol



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Gumbi_x
Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:09 pm
#13

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amoeba said


This is going to happen over and over until sony gets off it's ass and TELLS US WHAT CL 10 PETS SHOULD BE!




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