Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Why can't we help people looking for BE?
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Busukaba
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:03 pm
#1
Well, see, you're helping everyone, in reality. You help the folks on your server by giving them info and everyone else benefits from the old post. I figure I'll help everyone from my server and now that I have this address from the old posts, I can use that as well. It's funny, though, that some posts asking for this info get locked or deleted and others do not. It is also funny that some posts get tons of response and help and others do not. One post asking for tissues on Bloodfin even got 5 stars! How does that work?
I figure that anyone who is posting here has already tried the trade forums. All crafting forums have the same policy of not using them as a "trade board" I figure that anyone who is posting here has already tried the trade forums, or at least the vast majority of them.
Waivveen
PurpleWarrior
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:07 pm
#2
We don't want the forum flooded with requests from people looking for a BE on their server because that is NOT what a profession forum is for.
People looking for PersonOrThingXX on their server already have TWO forums they can use. The Trade forum if it involves TRADE and the Server forum for other enquiries.
I feel that adequately covers their needs, and if they feel it doesn't, then that is their problem - not ours. They need to learn to use the system as it stands and not think that they are somehow more 'special' than the other 99% of us who are capable of doing so.
If they think the SWG world revolves around them, then they need help - or gradually lengthening forum bans - until they get the idea.
Coming here for a server specific enquiry just clogs up our profession discussion forum with meaningless posts that should be deleted and the perpetrators tied to the same stake you prepared earlier, before we light you...
Seiryuu
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:22 pm
#3
We cannot help because this board is rather... picky... about what is posted to it.
While I agree the Trade and Server boards should be the first place a request goes, how many of us actually frequent those boards? I visit them about, oh, never. Anyone else?
I don't know why the vendor thread stopped being floated. Visitors are the ones that need to see it, not us since I'm pretty sure we know where our own shop is. Maybe more of the "this is not a trade board" mentality? A simple oversight? Only Jessea or NancyJ know.
While I agree the Trade and Server boards should be the first place a request goes, how many of us actually frequent those boards? I visit them about, oh, never. Anyone else?
I don't know why the vendor thread stopped being floated. Visitors are the ones that need to see it, not us since I'm pretty sure we know where our own shop is. Maybe more of the "this is not a trade board" mentality? A simple oversight? Only Jessea or NancyJ know.
Busukaba
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:59 pm
#4
Well, PurpleWarrior, if threads asking for such help should be deleted or locked, etc... Why are there at least 3 active now that are not, and only one is? Perhaps it is because the one which is locked you reported? See, I agree with the less beligerent attitudes of Seriyu and Kevm. I believe that the majority of visitors who come here are at the end of their rope. When we had that sticky up, which Kevm supplied to us again, the only people we had asking were people who couldn't find a BE on that sticky.
Sure, if someone obviously hasn't explored any other avenues andwill not and that personis just demending information, fine, yell at them. However, if someone has tried the trade board and, God forbid, the server boards, and looked at the BE vendor thread and still has no luck.... why should we flame them/jump up and down on them? You will never be able to stop all requests for help. I'm seeing that it really depends on who's looking at the posts when this stuff gets posted. If the purists are there, then the thread will get flamed/locked/sent to the trade boards. The first reply to my thread on the ranger board was to send me to the trade board, even after I stated in the body of the post that I had tried the trade boards for 3 weeks. If the people who help everyone are there, then you'll get the old sticky or some other form of help.
If one truely believes that all of the posts that ask for this kind of help need to be deleted, then those from this philosophy need to work harder. Getting one thread deleted/locked and leaving the others alone does nothing except stereotype all of us. Makes it seem like we're playing favorites. While the person who was locked out will probably never come back it can grant the lot of us a bad reputation. This same discussion was had when we were discussing flaming/sending away folks who wanted BE pet recipies becuase they didn't want to experiment on their own.
Anyway, it's time for dinner and I'm hungry. Mmmm Fajitas... hope I don't put too much tabasco in this time...
Waivveen
Cephalo
Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:15 pm
#5
Because the trade boards are for every aspect of a galaxies economy, things scroll off of the first page in minutes. I don't find it all that useful. If you need a BE, why not go where BE's hang out? I'm not sure the traffic would be so bad if everyone did that.
It might be better to devide the trade boards into professions instead of galaxies. One of the reasons I don't go there is that it never really pertains to me.
It might be better to devide the trade boards into professions instead of galaxies. One of the reasons I don't go there is that it never really pertains to me.
Busukaba
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:46 am
#6
Just a thought banging around in my head. I may get flamed, slapped, my eyes poked out, etc, but I really don't see a problem with helping these guys out. And yes, before you start saying that this board is for BE discussion about the profession and how broken the pet validation is, blah, blah, blah... I already know that story. Anyone who seriously suggests that someone use the trade boards to post to find a BE or any other profession obviously doesn't use the trade boards. I tried to hire a ranger for 3 weeks on the boards and never got a single reply. The trade boards are useless.
What ever happened to NancyJ's sticky on BE vendors. That was the greatest help in the world for these folks. Anyone looking for a BE just needed to go there and the often had 2 or 3 BE per server to chose from. Why is it gone? Can we get it back? Can we post a link to it or will that get deleted too?
Actually, I fully expect this to get deleted as well, but hey, I gotta try. Things were so much easier when we had that sticky up. There were so few posts asking for BE, now we get 2 or 3 a day. Sending people to the trade boards doesn't help them at all, unless the folks sending people there immeadiately jump on thetrade board to send them info... and really, what sense does that make?. All it serves to do is frustrate them and force them to try to post here again in hopes that they slip through the cracks and someone helps them out. I resorted to busting through the Ranger boards and got help2 hours after I posted. I don't know... 3 weeks on the trade board vs 2 hours on the Ranger board... something seems rather skewed here if I'm supposed to use the trade boards to find people to hire/help me.
Well, bringing the sticky back would help out this board, but others that didn't have it will still have this problem. Maybe the forums should have an "employment" section. Someplace where people can go to find the folks they're looking for. People can go there to find anyone... WS, AS, DE, BE, etc. Just a thought, but it would help solve these problems people have in finding specific professions, though if you can't find a WS or AS on your server, you have problems. There has to be another solution because the trade boards do not work unless you're selling loot or buying resources for 100 cpu. And now, with all the cross server painting trading going on, you get lost in the shuffle very fast.
Now that I have securely tied myself to the stake, you may light the fires of wrath/justice/hatred/burninating/whatever...
Waivveen
Kevm
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:52 am
#7
Busukaba wrote:
Just a thought banging around in my head. I may get flamed, slapped, my eyes poked out, etc, but I really don't see a problem with helping these guys out. And yes, before you start saying that this board is for BE discussion about the profession and how broken the pet validation is, blah, blah, blah... I already know that story. Anyone who seriously suggests that someone use the trade boards to post to find a BE or any other profession obviously doesn't use the trade boards. I tried to hire a ranger for 3 weeks on the boards and never got a single reply. The trade boards are useless.
I'm not going to flame you but I will give you my opinion. If your server's trade forum isn't worth anything that isn't our problem. I check the trade forum for Wanderhome multiple times a day. The trade forums are there to keep all these ppl from cluttering up the profession, and other, forums.
Now this doesn't mean that if you see someone asking for something on your server you shouldn't help them, but for everyone I see I'm going to point them to the BE Vendor thread and ask them to PM or gmail a BE on that list.
The last thing I want is everyone abadoning the Trade Forums and posting their request all over this forum. This isn't the place for that.
To help you (and anyone else) here is the link to the BE Vendor thread. I've 'floated' it to the top of me view of this forum so its a simple copy and paste of the URL line when I want to refer someone to it.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bio-engineer&message.id=70892
droid327
Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:06 am
#8
droid327 wrote:
I dont think anyone's debating that having people spamming the boards with "I need a BE on MyServer" is a bad thing for our forum....I think whats being asked, and rightly so, is if the policy of "go to the trade forums" is doing our profession any good
I'm not saying that the spammers OR the flamers are right - they're both breaking forum rules, which are there for a reason and do serve the greater good. I'm just saying we could meet them halfway and TRY to make ourselves more available to our consumer base =) With something like the stickied vendor list...something that doesnt generate new threads, but rather keeps people from posting new threads. The only reason why it was removed, AFAICT, is simply because of a philosophical ideal that this board should be devoid of anything dealing with trade.
In doing so, you're actually generating MORE spam because a) people dont listen to the rules, you cant change that, and trying to stop it by policing on a one-by-one basis is an exercise in futility; having the sticky thread there at leastprevented some of their posts,and b) you get threads like these (which i might add is just as off-topic as the seeking-BE posts lol)
Just a little common sense and perspective is all I ask from the moderators and community, give us back our stickied vendor list =)
ArthurDentOnBria
Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:12 am
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The trade forums really are a bad place to find a good xxx (insert your desired profession). That is just reality. But on the other hand, if you allow the BE forum to become filled with requests from lazy traders, it will lose its appeal to regulars, then you have nothing for anybody, so I think the type of "enforcement" we have is appropriate.
I thought that sticky thread we had was a really good idea, and apparently those in the tailor forum thought it was a good idea as well since they are also doing it now.
I thought that sticky thread we had was a really good idea, and apparently those in the tailor forum thought it was a good idea as well since they are also doing it now.
furrycat
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:07 pm
#10
All forums, newsgroups and bulletin boards have a list of what is or is not on-topic for discussion. In the case of this forum, posts seeking BEs are labelled off-topic. People who come and post anyway are saying either "Yes I know that I shouldn't be posting this but I think I am more important than your established ground rules" or "I am too lazy to learn what your policy is." Either way this is showing a lack of respect for what the forum is about.
THe BE board is for discussion of bio-engineering. It is not a place to post wanted ads. It really isn't hard to find a BE. You have your trade forum. You have your server forum. You have your in-game search. You can stand at the starport and spam that you are looking for one. You can ask your friends if they have one in their guild. You can look for pets on the bazaar and email the creator of one. You can ask a chef or tailor where they get their tissues. There are plenty of ways to find a BE without rudely ignoring the announcement at the top of the page telling you what is on-topic and what isn't.
THe BE board is for discussion of bio-engineering. It is not a place to post wanted ads. It really isn't hard to find a BE. You have your trade forum. You have your server forum. You have your in-game search. You can stand at the starport and spam that you are looking for one. You can ask your friends if they have one in their guild. You can look for pets on the bazaar and email the creator of one. You can ask a chef or tailor where they get their tissues. There are plenty of ways to find a BE without rudely ignoring the announcement at the top of the page telling you what is on-topic and what isn't.
droid327
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:40 pm
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I dont think anyone's debating that having people spamming the boards with "I need a BE on MyServer" is a bad thing for our forum....I think whats being asked, and rightly so, is if the policy of "go to the trade forums" is doing our profession any good...who actually hangs out there scanning for "i need a be", since the posts cycle through so quickly? And the vendor listing sticky thread isnt much good either since its mostly WS and AS and Chef vendors for the first 3 pages.
I think the more elegant solution is to resticky the Vendor List thread. It keeps the boards from getting polluted with seeking-BE posts, and may actually generate business for our shops. I know I'm not a merchant, and when I posted my vendor to the list I got 2-3 customers a day wandering in to check my wares. As a non-merchant, that kind of exposure is a great thing, and I know most of us BE's probably arent going to take up merchant as our second profession.
Basically, the mindset of "go to the trade forums" would be akin to us, in-game, having someone ask if we knew where they could find some chef tissues, and the universal response being "go to coronet and listen to the spam", because the trade forums are to this forum what Coronet spam is to the game =)
PurpleWarrior
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:43 pm
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Busukaba wrote:
Well, PurpleWarrior, if threads asking for such help should be deleted or locked, etc... Why are there at least 3 active now that are not, and only one is? Perhaps it is because the one which is locked you reported? See, I agree with the less beligerent attitudes of Seriyu and Kevm. I believe that the majority of visitors who come here are at the end of their rope. When we had that sticky up, which Kevm supplied to us again, the only people we had asking were people who couldn't find a BE on that sticky.
I actually report EVERY thread that is posted on this forum that is 'off topic'. I can't lock or delete them, only the moderator who is on duty at the time can do that.
If they feel that locking one of them is enough, I can't make them do otherwise.
I don't play favourites, and I never will. We have forum rules and only MORONS decide that our rules don't apply to them.
PurpleWarrior
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:45 pm
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furrycat wrote:
All forums, newsgroups and bulletin boards have a list of what is or is not on-topic for discussion. In the case of this forum, posts seeking BEs are labelled off-topic. People who come and post anyway are saying either "Yes I know that I shouldn't be posting this but I think I am more important than your established ground rules" or "I am too lazy to learn what your policy is." Either way this is showing a lack of respect for what the forum is about.
THe BE board is for discussion of bio-engineering. It is not a place to post wanted ads. It really isn't hard to find a BE. You have your trade forum. You have your server forum. You have your in-game search. You can stand at the starport and spam that you are looking for one. You can ask your friends if they have one in their guild. You can look for pets on the bazaar and email the creator of one. You can ask a chef or tailor where they get their tissues. There are plenty of ways to find a BE without rudely ignoring the announcement at the top of the page telling you what is on-topic and what isn't.
Exactly my point - obviouisly we have a few people around who think rules aren't important and probably don't apply to them anyway.
I'll keep reporting them and chasing the mods to lock/delete them and ban the perpetrators until the posters get the idea into their obviously thick and uncaring skulls.... 
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