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Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 03-24-2004 11:37 AM

Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 03-24-2004 11:38 AM

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Pet Pricing

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What are your prices for the following (if your prices vary depending on stats and so forth, give an estimated average value)

Definitions:

"formula" means pets that you make and put on your vendor, with no specific customer requesting it.

"custom" means a customer has come to you and made very specific requests in terms of one or more stats.

CL 10 "formula" pet: 30k

CL 10 "custom" pet: 50k

CL 11-20 "formula" pet: 40k

CL 11-20 "custom" pet: 50k

CL 21-30 "formula" pet: 40k

CL 21-30 "custom" pet: 50k

CL 31-40 "formula" pet: 50k

CL 31-40 "custom" pet: 60k

CL 41-50 "formula" pet: 50k

CL 41-50 "custom" pet: 60k

CL 51-60 "formula" pet: 50k

CL 51-60 "custom" pet: 60k

CL 61-70 "formula" pet: N/A

CL 61-70 "custom" pet: 75k

CL 71-80 "formula" pet:

CL 71-80 "custom" pet: (just a little BE humor here, lol)

Pet Stim Prices:

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Please fill out what you would charge for the following. Since I am compiling these numbers, please put numbers, not a fomula.

Please list prices *per stim*

Pet Stim B 15/600: 2k

Pet Stim B 30/800: 2.5k

Pet Stim C 30/1000: 4k

Pet Stim D 30/1500: 5k

Pet Vitality Packs:

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Please fill out what you would charge for the following. Since I am compiling these numbers, please put numbers, not a fomula.

Please list prices *per stim*

Pet Vitality A (average): 2k

Pet Vitality B (average): N/A

Pet Vitality C (average): N/A

Tissues:

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Please list prices *per tissue*

Active Bio Sensors +13: 1.6k

Active Bio Sensors +17: 2.2k

Active Tranquilizers +13: 2.4k

Active Tranquilizers +17: 2.8k

Enhanced Myoflex +13: 2.8k

Enhanced Myfolex +17: 3.2k

Scent Neutralization +13: 1.6k

Scent Neutralization +17: 2.2k

Coagulent Agents +13: 1.6k

Coagulent Agents +17:2.2k

Mimetic Circuitry +13: 2.8k

Mimetic Circuitry +17: 3.2k

Tensile Resistance +13: 1.6k

Tensile Resistance +17: 2.2k

Fear Release +13: 1.6k

Fear Release +17: 2.2k

Micronutrient Supplements +50: 1.2k

Broad Spectrum Nutrients +85: 1.6k

Intelligent Nanonutrients +115: 2k

Thanks for your participation!

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These aren't numbers, but I have a helpful hint. Make the customer do the bargaining. What I do when I get a price request is that I tell the customer what's involved and how long it will take for the job, and then ask them how much they are looking to pay. I always get a price that's more than I need! They give me the price, and I put on my poker face and say 'hmmmm.... ok I'll get started on your order'. If the price is outragiously high, I'll give them a discount when the order is finished. That always makes them very happy.

Hmm, Cant seem to edit my post, but I used wrong formula on my chef tissues, so just wanted to update the prices... (multiplied it by 2 by misstake)

Pet Pricing

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There is too much variation between pets for me to charge per CL. How can a CL 22, AR0, 3300 HAM, 20% resist pet compare to a CL 22, AR1, 6k HAM, 55% resist pet?

Pet Stim Prices:

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I'm still hashing out the BECalc 2.0 formulas for this, but currently (times 25 for crate):

Pet Stim B 15/600: 900

Pet Stim B 30/800: 2400

Pet Stim C 30/1000: 3750

Pet Stim D 30/1500: 5625

Pet Vitality Packs:

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Pet Vitality A (average): 285

Pet Vitality B (average): 1185

Pet Vitality C (average): 1965

Tissues:

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Please list prices *per tissue* (assume selling in a crate)

Active Bio Sensors +13: 1688

Active Bio Sensors +17: 1988

Active Tranquilizers +13: 1875

Active Tranquilizers +17: 2175

Enhanced Myoflex +13: 1688

Enhanced Myfolex +17: 1988

Scent Neutralization +13: 1013

Scent Neutralization +17: 1313

Coagulent Agents +13: 1275

Coagulent Agents +17: 1575

Mimetic Circuitry +13: 1763

Mimetic Circuitry +17: 2063

Tensile Resistance +13: 1463

Tensile Resistance +17: 1763

Fear Release +13: 2025

Fear Release +17: 2325

Micronutrient Supplements +50: 750

Broad Spectrum Nutrients +85: 1275

Intelligent Nanonutrients +115: 1875

(I'm guessing at the Micro and Int Nanos as I haven't made any and haven't got a "feel" for the bonus ranges yet. I charge a base price of 900 for BSN plus 50cr per tissue per point over 80. Everythin else, apart from Pet Stims, is cost plus 50% plus "some" for bonuses over a certain pointbreak).

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Luterin wrote:

I am not listing my pet prices since I dont find it relevant to base prices on levels. Pets prices needs to based on their stats, their level is more or less irrellevant. Only thing that is interesting with level is if its a duo, a trip or a single pet.

My petprices do range from 50k up to 1m thou.

An overall note is that way to many BE are selling their stuff WAY to cheap, compared to what other proffessions are earning from their stuff.

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Really? Nah, I'm with Arthur on pet prices.

Couple of hours on Dant yesterday. 40 DNA samples.

4 CL 10's and 4 mid level 21-30's. Total costs: 3 hits of brandy, 4K in travel, 1K cloning, maybe 2K in resources. Bout 1K per pet plus time and effort. 200K return. (200K to buy furniture with, lol)

Hate grinding so Don't make tissues except for friends who give me the resources. Use the surplus in making pets. Don't charge them for the tissues.

If this were monopoly, I'd play differently...

For pet pricing I usually use the BE calc program to get a ballpark figure and start negotiations there.

For chef tissues I start with 5 cpu for flora or other harvester gathered resources, 15 cpu for hand gathered. That gets me a low ballpark and people are offering twice that for crates. If I make a particularily good run I usually auction it off.

For stims I use (power * charges)/10. I only use vitality packs as giveaways when I sell pets (which isn't too often).

Ah well, I tried /sigh

This thread has had very little participation and degenerated into a pricing debate. Oh well.

As far as pet prices, well, I still hold the (somewhat mistaken) theory that a CL is derived from the stats (aside from bugs in the formula) therefore there is no such thing as a "good" CL 20 and a "bad" CL 20. All you are in fact doing is making tradeoffs. That said, if I make a pet that I don't think is compelling it never sees its way to my vendor anyway, so I disregard those in my pricing. I can't imagine why I would charge more for a pet with lowerHAM and higher damage than I would for a lower damage higher HAM pet though, so I do it by CL. Or why I would charge more for crippling strike then I would for poison for example.

Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 03-25-2004 08:38 AM

I think there isnt any real guide for pricing, but thats all part of the fun!

Trying to use someone else's guide to price your goods is asking for trouble.

im steerin clear of any but creatures for the time being

my pricing plan is as follows:

1-15 = 5k
16-20 = 10k
21-25 = 15k
26-30 = 20k
31-35 = 25k
36-40 = 30k
41-45 = 40k
46-50 = 50k
51-55 = 60k
56-60 = 70k
61-65 = 80k
66-70 = 90k

made a batch of 114 intelligent nutrients, trying to figure out how much to sell them for

Arthur,

Noble attempt, really, but there are a few forces at work here that make this excercise irrelevant.

1. For stims and tissues, variances in server economies. Simply put, the same +taming tissue on Bria sells differently than it does on Bloodfin. This is influenced by the number of active BEs on any given server, the quality of their work, the number of tailors/chefs/etc. available to buy the products, and whether or not there is some jacka-ss selling schematics for 10k.

2. The complexity of BE Pets preclude the categorization you have designed. What you've attempted to do is create a pricing guide for cars. The problem is there are subcompacts, compacts, mid-size, full-size, sports, luxury, SUV, wagons....and we haven't even talked about import vs. domestic ormercedes vs. kia yet.It's just not realistic to try to create a universal guide for pets that are all custom creations. I suppose if one wants to crank out run-of-the-mill pets, a guide might apply, but it will never work for the high end market.

In the end, the best way to price your goods and services is to survey your competitors' products and prices, scan the trade forums and pay attention to auction results, and simply ask yourself how you value your time. Combine those three and consult the magic 8-ball and you're all set.

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Nemthang wrote:

Arthur,

I suppose if one wants to crank out run-of-the-mill pets, a guide might apply, but it will never work for the high end market.

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Wasn't trying to create a guide, just compile some numbers to give newcomers some ideas. This is after all exactly what they are asking for. So I guess we're back to having a new thread on this topic every other day. /sigh.

I just can't bring myself to price pets based on nebulous things like the color of the pet though, lol, sorry. Oh, and I'll proudly compare my creations to anyones. Just because I don't feel like shaking all the change out of my customers pockets doesn't mean my pets are "run-of-the-mill". That's a silly statement.

Pricing based on auction results? Oh geez. If I did that I'd be selling all my clothing for 100k and my pets for 1mil. Then all I'd be doing is contributing to the rediculousness and damaging my reputation. I can't imagine a worse way to price things than that.

Oh well, I am very sorry I attempted such a thing. Next time I'll know better and keep my mouth shut. We'll see how long it takes before the next newcomer comes to the forum and requests ideas on pet pricing though.

Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 03-25-2004 11:41 AM