Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: New patch?
can someone please tell me when the new patch for bio engineers is going to be. i am really tired of not having any rewards for the time i put in, please give me some light at the end of the tunnel, and not a train hopefully.
Stab- Bio Eng, Ahazi
They refuse to tell us anything on WHEN we are going to get fixes. It's the proverbial carrot that keeps our money in their pockets.
No one is forcing you to pay, you are paying of your own free will. so blame yourself if and when you're low on money.
the reason they don't have a timeline is that they don't know. you can set yourself a deadline, which you can then tell everyone is the release date, but the chances that you'll be done on that date are low. If you estimated too far out, people will get angry and whine, moan, and complain because its taking too long, and if you estimate too soon and can't deliver, people with whine, moan, complain because its taking too long, and just say stupid things without thinking. So they really can't win if they give a date to release.
it will be released when its done.
would you release something prematurely because someone claimed you were holding it back? i sure wouldn't. I don't think SOE is going to release prematurely because you're accusing them of something they didn't do either.
Ok, I admit it, I am one of the complainers that you were complaining about.
After paying up to 30 bucks a month to SOE for 3 years, they have promised that if I chose the BE profession, I would have respect of all the pet users and would make the strongest pets in the game. That is truly a bold face lie.
No BE only items work in a factory.
In making creatures, I cannot get over 1500 exp per hour. My friend, who is a CH beats that per kill. With my 3500 Ham Spineflap guard, I can get over 100 CH per kill in the newbie zone every 10 seconds. But I am not a CH and Ver does not allow me enough skill point to be.
On blind faith, I have stayed in the BE profession. I was betrayed. Now I have more promises.
I have given up all my artisan, all my brawling, almost all my medical, 3 colums now of Marksman. Give up BE? No, SWG goes first, and when all of my trust with SOE is destroyed, I am gone.
There is the answer to your complaining. If you cannot bare to read the posts, don't. Ver doesn't. Or you could just delete them all like Ver did.
Ok well all want the BE to have the "make creatures better, make Flora better andCustimize our Critters".
But there a a few things that are a little bit strange. Some people want to a make a Bio-Engineered beareded Jax kill be able to kill a rancor. I mean, come on, a rancor could just pick it up and eat it. Creatures should have set limits. I will quit this game if i see a Jax kill a Rancor.
And some other few points:
A Bio-Engineer should NEVER have to go into the CH skill tree to be able to command his critter. You should be able to custimize commands when you make the creature. Its a pain to go to a CH, ask him or her if they can teach your critter commands.
Quick story: "I finally ground out enough stim packs to get get novice BE. After having to search an hour for a trainer that i stumbled on in Theed, i made my first creature. I traveled back to Moenia and found a CH who kindly taughtmy Kaadu some commands like trick 2, follow, etc." That is when i realized how dumb this professions is. It's so much easier to be a CH and to go up to a baby Kaadu (which is oviously stronger than a bio-engineered one), tame it and teach it a few commands.
And whats this about being able to make a DNA templets. I made a Kaadu out of Vine Rawls. I dont quite get the connection.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=534383says it all. Its a must read if you havent read it. Amen.
I hope i covered everyones thoughts about this professions
P.S. WAY 2 MUCH EXP IS NEED TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL. IT IS NOT FUN GETTING 3000 UNITS OF FLORA& MEAT AND GRIND OUT ITEMS FOR THE NEXT HOUR!!!!!!!!!
So, some novice BE wants to make pets better then wild, but has little to no experimentation and probably has crap DNA and meats and floral.
That is positively rich!
I can tell you right now, as a MASTER you can make pets better then wild. Not 2 x better or anything, but i know my Rancors will kick a tamed wild rancor all around town.
The problem begins with some pets where there is a wild variant we cant make that will kick all our pets around town.
But, I am getting off the topic. As a NOVICE BE, yes, you will suck. Err, that is why you are a novice.
Would be nice if we could just start out making all teh cool, powerful....oh, wiat, that wouldnt be cool, that would suck and make for a crappy game.
If you cant hack the trials to master, quit the professsion now, you will be glad you did.
Also, I am making a ton of money and dont need the competition. Already have had some peopel come in and try to sell stuff for 1/10th the price I charge. Funny though, they never seem to stick around...say BE cant make enough money, mmmm, being I sell one for their 10 and make as much money, I wonder why they say that?
**edit**, did it again....what was the topic again?
So Nailrovek, since when does SOE release something when its done? this game still isnt finished and its been out for 3 months.
Jarce wrote:So Nailrovek, since when does SOE release something when its done? this game still isnt finished and its been out for 3 months.
Clearly the opinion of someone that hasn't written software.
No peice of complex software is EVER complete. complex programs are NEVER (no exceptions to this rule) finished, they are abandoned.
Allow me to repeat: Complex software is never finished, it is only abandoned.
so your argument that it isn't complete is like saying "grass is green". it is obvious to anyone that understands what you're talking about.
if your point was that "the game was released before all bugs were fixed" then let me run this by you. (that is a true statement, by the way) There were and are bugs in this game that could never have been discovered with a small beta test team, not even if all 10,000 played for 10 years before the beta was over. there are things in software development that require hundreds of thousands of data points to track effectively, and effective tracking is what you need to be able to pinpoint the source of bugs in many situations. I should say here (in case it isn't known by some readers) that the data points in question come from individual users - 10k users simply won't show evidence of a lot of bugs that 100k users will show. so my response here is that "it is impossible to release software this complex that is fully complete and bug free using beta experiences alone."
Maybe you meant that "the game wasn't fully designed when it was released." This is also a true statement, but I'd like to see you (or any team of people of equivalent size) do a noticeably better job in the timeframe that bio-engineer went from the professions of Farmer and Hunter into a single profession, Bio-Engineer in the timeframe that it happened in SWG.
The bottom line is that it is perfectly understandable that the software isn't perfect upon release. Anyone remember Visual Basic 1.0? Windows 1.0? Internet Explorer 1.0? Netscape 1.0? (they were all peices of butt-butter, if you couldn't guess). Well this is SWG 1.0 effectively. well we're at about 1.15 i'd say right about now. Do you really expect a perfect peice of software on a 1.0 release?
If you do, you're a fool.
And im making huge Money with my Pet Stim Bs, Vitality Bs
But the point is.....i can make "enough" if the **edit** factories start to work for me hehe
Now im forced to make some Missions to pay all the Harvesters i have.
And that costs my time....my short time
What primarily all the whining and crying boils down to is: "I can't make Uber critters and find a way to master my profession within 1 week so I can be the BE (or insert any other class here) GOD!"
Why doesnt everyone sit back, enjoy what you can do, have fun and play the **edit** game. No everyone has to "grind" their way to the top of their profession and their impatients with everything shows through. How many artisan buy copiuos amounts of resources so they can "grind" what type of resources do they buy? Junk what kind of products do they make junk, who buys them everyone, cause their supposedly the best.
If everyone, would just sit back enjoy the ride, and have fun instead of constantly trying to basically beat the game in the first 30days, life would be much more enjoyable, If ya can't handle that, quit!! Less competition for sales for me and the others that are enjoying the game.
Yes things are still buggy, but if you think you can do better , call up Lucas Arts or SOE and get a job!! I am 20creds form a Bach in Comp Science, I know the mojority of players are waiting to get their High School diplomas, and that shows with their impatience. You need to learn sit back and relax, If all ya can do is complain, quit playing for a few months, and sign up to play again in december. You always have that option.
(sits back and braces for the flames)
It isn't just the 'cool' pets, the dangerous ones, that people want to be able to make good. At novice? You can't make the truly nice pets ANYWAY. The ones you SHOULD be able to make SHOULD be at least as good as the ones the novice CHes can just walk out and tame (similar levels of skill here, see?). As is, you only approach wild stats with good materials (not just average ones) and high on the experimentation tree (if then). And even THEN an equivalently skilled CH can, with minimal effort, probably find something to walk all over the best creation you can make at that skill threshold.
Thus: Broken.
Bagban, If you are a Master, then you have not a clue what others that aren't are going through. That guys Claim was valid. I have 3 boxes left to fill in BE. If I make a BE Kaduu, it will have like 800 HAM. The female Kaduus in the wild have about 1400 HAM and the Males have about 2400 HAM. And he analegy was fair. A novice BE can make one. If on the other hand, a novice CH tames a Kaduu in the wild, that Kaduu will kick the BUTT of the BE and his Kaduu. No only that, the BE after making a pet, does not have the means to use it because he cannot tame it.
And I realize the presure the designers and programmers have done. They have done a great job. But the decision of management to release the game without testing puts the support team in a position where they spend all their time putting out brush fires.
THere is ABSOLUTELY... no class to class balance in getting experience. I am a CH also. I have been filling a CH box and a BE box at the same time. I am grinding exp in BE and using a pet that gets very little exp from the mobs I fight. Having said that, the CH box is filling faster by accident than the BE box is by design.
Is it unfair to ask for equity?