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Thread: BE Pricing? Can we just discuss it sensibly among ourselves a minute please?
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PurpleWarrior
Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:04 pm
#1
(Would all the Chefs and Tailors just stay out of this thread, please? I'd like to talk to the other BEs about pricing)
I've seen huge debates here and elsewhere about pricing for tissues that we sell on to Chefs and Tailors, now - without their input - can we discuss among ourselves what prices we charge and why?
For example let's look at a BSN
Resources
35 Organic
25 Flora Food
20 Creature food
Requirements for Experimentation:
33% each PE, OQ, Flavour
Desired Quality: 84+
Resource quality required to achieve this: 84%
(Base item +60 requires +24 increase out of possible +30, allow 25/30 = 84%)
So we need OQ/PE/Flavour of 840/840/840 average
We can tease, trick and boost parts of it by choosing materials carefully (stick some wood in etc...), but basically those are our numbers. I tend to add up the numbers to get an idea of resource quality so +2520/3000 is how I'd see it - pretty high, but not hugely rare.
Now - how should we price this? The part we have to hunt or buy is the meat.
Good carnivore seems to be best at giving those sort of stats, normally spread more like 950/900/670 and doesn't take too long to gather when it spawns. Buying it you'd expect to pay around 80cpu? (Just my guess - always harvest my own stuff).
Flora food - again, stick a heavy harvester on it every time it spawns, extraction costs less than 0.3cpu - buying it, maybe 10cpu tops?
Allow the same for the 'organic' if necessary and our base cost comes out at:
(35 x 10) + (25 x 10) + (20 x 80) + (Wages for our time and effort gathering/buying/manufacturing)
= 760 + Wages each...
Now - would anyone care to discuss this in a sensible and levelheaded fashion and offer end-pricing examples per item/crate factoring in the 'wages' part so we can see what we think we're worth?
If someone wants to do a similar example on say Active Biosensor Tissues, go ahead.
Please, keep it constructive. Only BEs who sell tissues for a living to others need reply 
PurpleWarrior
Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:07 pm
#2
I need an edit button - sorry - my maths went wrong there - missed a zero!
(35 x 10) + (25 x 10) + (20 x 80) + (Wages for our time and effort gathering/buying/manufacturing)
350 + 250 + 1600 (That'll teach me to try to do maths in my head while the kids are chattering to me)
=2200 + Wages each...
Zumbee
Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:00 pm
#3
First off i would like to apologise to any BE's im undercutting, let me explain.
I hit master BE3 weeks ago and had decided not to set up shop till i hit master. When it came to pricing my items i had a lot of difficulty finding BE vendors or finding threads detailing chimaera specific prices. Having never been a crafter before i was really stumped. So i came up with my own little formula.
using a crate of BSN +84 as an example. I charged a set price of 25k for a crate of +80's, then adding 1k onto the price for every +1 to the BSN. So a crate of +84 i would sell at 29k. That works out at 1160 for a single BSN.
i harvest all my own flora and have an alt character and helpful guild when it comes to the meat. So i believed i was charging about average. However looking at your formula it seems im way under charging.
If some more BE's could post their prices on here it would be really helpful. If it turns out that my prices are very low then i apologise and will alter them, thanks 
Shev
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:03 pm
#4
I tend to charge 1400 for BSN's, 1800 for IN's. I seem to be slightly under the market price on Eclipse(1600) for the BSN's, not sure about the IN's - don't tend to ever see them on vendors.
Kevie
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:44 pm
#5
i charge 45k+ for crates of BSN's, depending on how good they are
and 50k+ on INN's, depending on how good they are
it seems there is a real problem with undercutting since most chefs that i have never talked to before ask for my prices and start haggling
currently i only deal with three chefs for this reason.... they don't haggle, they're loyal customers and they don't ever ask for schematics
well one did lol, but i said i would charge 250cr per item and she said that one 10 times what she's ever paid.
well one did lol, but i said i would charge 250cr per item and she said that one 10 times what she's ever paid.
fortunately, she still does business with me and i would rather have it that way. i like that i've actually worked to get all the meat/flora and sell finished products instead of just whore myself around for schematics at 25k each.
c00kie
Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:24 pm
#6
I charge 35k per crate of bsn and 45k per crate of heavy for anything up to 86.... and 116... if they are better the price goes up 5k per.... Never had a complaint yet... though if I am in need of fundage I do run a sale dropping prices by 5k and sell my entire stock in a day.
Adainae
Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:07 pm
#7
I just started stocking nutrients. I priced a crate of 49's at 1k per, but anything over the 50,80,110 I priced at 1200, 1500, 1800... anything phenominal will probably be priced 1400, 1700, 2000 for added difficulty getting resources.
Tissues I price 200 per point to +17 and 250-300 per point estimated for 18/19/20 though Ive never gotten these numbers yet *grin* I add 500 credits per unit for the ones that take mollusks and eggs. If I would happen to for some reason make a tissue under 12 I'd sell for 100 per point. So a crate of +17/+17 tissues goes for 170k.
From polling my regular customers they feel I have good prices, and I'm making a good amount of money
Oh, and I'm on bloodfin
Ada
Joilhath
Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:32 pm
#8
Well you're meat prices are rather high the most I've ever paid for the best meat on the server was 51cpu though I have had a chef go for the buyout at 100cpu for the same meat.
I normally charge 1k/1.5k/2k for Micro/BSN/Intelligent. Granted for the 88's I was making with the above mentioned meat I was charging 2mil for a full run of BSN and 2.2mil for a full run of Intelligent.
furrycat
Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:45 am
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Forum ate my post. /warcry1
Salient points were: 20 credits per bonus per tissue for chef stuff; 200 per bonus (higher only) per tissue for tailor stuff. Makes a loss according to the formulae posted but I would never even consider paying more than 30cpu for meat and I in fact make a profit on the orders I do. Which are few 'cos I'm much more interested in pets.
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Salient points were: 20 credits per bonus per tissue for chef stuff; 200 per bonus (higher only) per tissue for tailor stuff. Makes a loss according to the formulae posted but I would never even consider paying more than 30cpu for meat and I in fact make a profit on the orders I do. Which are few 'cos I'm much more interested in pets.
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Radone
Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:11 am
#10
Hoi,
i also use a formula for pricing tissues:
tailor tissues 150 per bonus points for normal tissues.
The tissues that need egg, milk or mollusk i ask 200 creds per point.
For cheftissues the price is fix for flavor, food and mass reducing (and i have a few crates of them on my vendor - more for showing then for selling. Usual they dont sell. But maybe a chef want to try them one day - and he can see that i have all available )
For nutrient i ask per tissue:
Micronutrient Supplement 18 per point (900cr for +50)
Broad-Spectrum Nutriens 16 per point (1280cr for +80)
Intelligent Nanonutrients 15 per point (1650cr for +110)
If the bonus is below 50 / 80 / 110 i ask 2 creds per point less.
Best
Belisama
http://saakje.gmxhome.de/BEpets.html
i also use a formula for pricing tissues:
tailor tissues 150 per bonus points for normal tissues.
The tissues that need egg, milk or mollusk i ask 200 creds per point.
For cheftissues the price is fix for flavor, food and mass reducing (and i have a few crates of them on my vendor - more for showing then for selling. Usual they dont sell. But maybe a chef want to try them one day - and he can see that i have all available )
For nutrient i ask per tissue:
Micronutrient Supplement 18 per point (900cr for +50)
Broad-Spectrum Nutriens 16 per point (1280cr for +80)
Intelligent Nanonutrients 15 per point (1650cr for +110)
If the bonus is below 50 / 80 / 110 i ask 2 creds per point less.
Best
Belisama
http://saakje.gmxhome.de/BEpets.html
PurpleWarrior
Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:06 pm
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Joilhath wrote:
Well you're meat prices are rather high the most I've ever paid for the best meat on the server was 51cpu though I have had a chef go for the buyout at 100cpu for the same meat.
I normally charge 1k/1.5k/2k for Micro/BSN/Intelligent. Granted for the 88's I was making with the above mentioned meat I was charging 2mil for a full run of BSN and 2.2mil for a full run of Intelligent.
We can work with the 51cpu - I was just looking at prices I'd been offered in the past for actually hunting that quality of meat (seen up to 150cpu from Docs, but they seem to have a few more creds to throw around).
Factoring in your 51cpu the cost becomes:
(35 x 10) + (25 x 10) + (20 x 51) = 350 + 250 + 1020 = 1620 per +84 BSN
Given your sales price, you must harvest your own materials like I do? The most time-intensive part is getting the meat. carnivore is tricky to harvest at more than 1200 units per hour, wild is not too bad sometimes (only other meat I've found with stats close to good carnivore).
Some of the pricing suggestions based on XXcreds per point for tailor tissues are probably fair, I see those on Chimera a lot too and use that structure myself.
The extra costs for BSNs over +84 aren't a problem either - as demonstrated in my original post, the higher quality BSN needs a higher quality meat, etc. For example, to produce a +88BSN your meat quality would be:
MQ = ((( 88 - 60)/30) x 100) % = (28/30) x 100 = 93.3% or 933/933/933 which is quite a hike and pretty hard to come by
Joilhath
Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:31 pm
#12
Doc's always do seem to have more money than sense when it comes to buying meat. Always hate when I run low on herbivore for the components for my pet stims. But then talk about a mark up 10-15k for one use of 6 enhancement packs.
For the stated prices I use 10-15cpu (can be found on the bazaar and what I offer guild mates) meat and yes I harvest my own resourses with this I can get 85-87 bonuses at the present time but this varies on what the quality of the last Dath Carnivore meat was. So in reality I could afford to drop my prices and still make money. Lets say 3 cpu for the organic as this is what I culd easily sell it for.
(35 x 3)+(25 x 3)+(20 x 15) = 105 + 75 + 300 = 480 per +87 BSN
Now I don't sell them for this but as you can see there is lots of room to play my current price is over 3 times what it cost to make. Where as the 88's I made I only put a 40% markup on roughly as I was selling them for 2k per.
The 1k/1.5k/2k was actually a pricing scheme I got from a Chef when I first started making tissues and have had no complaints with the prices.
Even with my current offer of 30 cpu for Yavinian carnivore meat it still only comes out to 780 per BSN a little less the 2x markup.
Message Edited by Joilhath on 06-20-2004 12:44 PM
Rancor418
Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:43 pm
#13
I sell really cheap. 12,500 a crate unless it needs eggs(25k per crate). Most people can not understand how/why I can do this but its easy. My alt. is a pistoleer/ranger. I get 20-35k per mission and I kill everything I see on the way to the mission. I never have to buy meat. My only cost is harvs and factories. But I sell between 50k-300k a day. If I did not have an alt. I would have to charge a lot more.
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