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NeillM

Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:47 am

Hi Tiggs,

I feel that AFK (non)play is my personal biggest gripe. I don't mind when people go off for 10-15 minutes to do something that comes up while they are playing, however those that spend the majority of their time AFK are rather annoying. If I go into a Cantina and there is a sea of AFK tags I tend not to stay for very long as it just makes the experience plain dull.

When a Cantina is flooded with AFKers, especially the ones who beg for tips, healing or people to watch them, it kills the atmosphere. People can not always see a live person in the sea as they are drowned out by the spam generated.

Just as bad is when the AFKers stand in the foyer and not many people get past them into the main cantina where the live Entertainers are, this can cause the people who are actually trying to play the game to not get the XP they need to advance. It also makes their game experience much less enjoyable as no-one gets through to them that they can talk to. If they decide to compete with the bots in the foyer then they get drowned out by the spam.

I have followed the thread corresponding to this one in the Dancer forums so I know you are seeing if something can be done about this scourge. I thank you for your efforts on our behalf.

- Neeill Orkaorchi, Elder Entertainer/Elder Musician, Intrepid
- Nai'ren, Trader, Intrepid
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Panthu

Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:31 am

#1029

Ok people. Stop being silly please. A Dancer Bot auto joins a group or targets the person in front of them to buff, they often but not always have scripted service advertising and instructions, they usually do not interact with other Ents in the Cantina and get very weird if they are invited to Ent Groups, and they are AFK most of the time. Most importantly though, they are setup to buff the same way whether they are at the keys or not.

If a CSR comes to check on a reported Bot, they would try to get a buff from the Bot and also try to engage the Bot in conversation. It's really not that hard.

A Ban like this would negate the need to remove recursive macros as far as Ents are concerned.

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Esharra

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:00 am

#1030

I think it is the only possible hopefor savingthe entertainerprofessions.

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Xyrdre

Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:28 am

#1031

Esharra wrote:

I think it is the only possible hopefor savingthe entertainerprofessions.

Certainly a good start.

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Tiggs

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:21 am

#1032

jopenack wrote:

"YOU HAVE SUCCESFULLY TAMED A RED NAME BABY"

<insert Jersey accent> Nevah gonna happen =P rawr!

Tralmek

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:35 am

#1033

Xyrdre wrote:

Esharra wrote:

I think it is the only possible hopefor savingthe entertainerprofessions.

Certainly a good start.

Yep, it would be a start.

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Joker9125

Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:37 am

#1034

Tiggs wrote:

jopenack wrote:

"YOU HAVE SUCCESFULLY TAMED A RED NAME BABY"

Nevah gonna happen =P rawr!

Great! Another addition to the extinct list.

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ZeroK0ol

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:05 am

#1035

Tiggs wrote:

MrHawat wrote:

Oh! To the trolls that posted, sorry I am all out of troll food today. Guess we will have to buck heads another day.

That's ok, I wasn't hungry anyway.

So, are you saying that as far as you are concerned everything is fine with CH? Hmmm, interesting. You know it says alot that you have to ask friends in game about CH. Yeah, I know. TKM is much more fun with a crafting profession. Try playing CH sometime. It might just change your attitude. Oh, you do not want to grind another profession? Ok. It is not like you are being paid for it or anything. Do I sound like a digruntled Troll? Yeah. Funny, I only troll the CH forums. I wonder why that is?

Nope, that is not what I am saying. Please don't twist my words around. Thanks!

I was just making a statement about how odd I thought it was they never complained. Perhaps I should have added these people are the first to complain about anything *shrugs*. Anyway, I am here to gather what this communityfeels iswrong with their game play. I am nothere tosay your feelings aren't valid about your game play just collecting information to help myself better understand your profession.

I also have MCH friends in game, no im not a CH but it is my dream profession, and im probably going to go for it soon.

My MCH friends in game never complain about it, IN game also. But yesterday i made the comment of dropping one of my professions and going 'MCH', My friends responce was (and mind you HE IS a MCH)

"Why? dont you know it's a broken profession? but if you really want to, i have some awesome pets you can have, but they are useless too"

I dont think he complains about it in game because he has come to understand his profession is broken, but he plays it because he likes collecting the 'useless' pets. Pets are supposed to be tanks, but you have to constantly heal them to keep them alive, weather they are fighting PLAYERS or MOBS, it doesnt make a difference they seem to be fairly under powered.

just a Dr's 2 cents on a profession I want to see fixed

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NCIceman

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:14 am

#1036

First, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for starting this thread. It's long overdue, but it's good to be finally listened to again.

Second, it warms my heart to see that there are still so many CHs that have stuck with the profession despite being the number one mutiple nerfed profession in the game, even though admittedly a lot of those nerfs were needed.

Now, on to the needed issues. Most of what needs to be fixed with CH has been covered in this thread, but I'll try to highlight my observations.

My number one beef with the profession is the oustanding pet bugs. There seems to be a tar pit by my house outside of Mos Eisley on Tarquinasthat makes my pets move really slow and not respond to commands. Sometimes they just vanish. So my top complaint is pets still not responding to commands and disappearing back into the datapad, sometime even during combat. For a CH this can be FATAL.

My number 2 complaint is related to the balance and adjustment issues to Master CH. Many tweaks were done in the past to make Master CH more significant. The net result of this is that a CH is wholly inadequate until he trains completely to master. He cannot sell mounts. Dabbling isn't the great Satan, you've killed all flavoring if you force everyone to master each profession they are in to attain any competency.

This leads in to my third complaint. CHs have ZERO economic viabilty; there is no means by which a CH can create or earn money except via combat missions and selling mounts. And by moving the Transfer command to Master CH, see complaint 2.

Also, if we are going to be a combat profession, we need off-site, off-datapad storage so that we can have more pets. That means we need to be able to take pets out of our datapad and put them in our houses like Bios can. You really need to add the pet pen to a house, or something. Some form of out of person pet data storage.

People ask for specific CH missions. This is a great idea. But frankly, this is needed for EVERY profression. This is where SWG is sorely lacking - content. Right now the only CH specific content is baby hunting. I've had wierd missions wierd missions where I was asked to go play my slitherhorn at an imperial officer's club, why not be asked to get a pet nuna for some officer's daughter?

Finally, as has been reiterated so many times in this thread, we got "balanced" as the first part of mutiple balance passes that the rest never happened. Well, JTL is done now (aside from the tweaks we know must happen). I really like that you are willing to listen and are promising to fix us. Finish our balance so that we are not out of whack compared to the other professions. We are easily taken apart PvP and by Jedi. The 15 second anti-pokemon rule is something I STILL strongly disagree with - you don't make any other profession wait 15 seconds to draw their gun, why us?

Thanks for listening.

Zendennin Darkwalker on Tarquinas and Flurry

Acrod_Novys

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:21 am

#1037

Aakhperkare wrote:

It's not that you need to be more "professional" around us. It's that you have to be careful about how you say things. And I'm sorry, but just telling us out of the blue that your CH friends don't complain...how do you expect someone to take that?

After the hate CH's had to endure last year, with the intential or unintential insults from Thunderheart, to being revamped for the sake of the whining and not for the sake of a combat revamp. You tend to be a bit defensive...

Maybe you should start your expectations over again when you meet new people...

Tiggs presents her thought process clearly to us, this creates these kinds of comments that you call unprofessional. It is this very fact that causes her to be well loved, because she risks people taking things the wrong way instead of shielding real communication from trolls to avoid arguments (this is the effect of what you call "professional") Through her open communication, she gives you a view of many of the factors she is considering--for and against things. If you jump all over the negative factors you are just making a fool of yourself. Finally, to the point--you ask "how do you expect someone to take that"--well, if you consider all the factors she has presented, and become a slightly more optomistic student of human behavior, you may find you can clearly see how to take such a comment.

Tiggs wrote:

No it is not what I am saying but your decision is made about it and even hearing it from the person that typed it out won't change your mind. I have no problem agreeing on disagreeing. I do however have a problem with my words being twisted around =) As far as being biased, you picked the wrong person. I think what is being forgotten here is my job is to relay information from you to the Dev team and vice versa.

Seems like you will be typing this often...

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Pluto9Moon

Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:48 am

#1038

Acrod,

"If you jump all over the negative factors you are just making a fool of yourself."

You just jumped all over Aahk's "negative factors". Love pointing these types of statements out. See words are a funny thing. You just said that person who points out negative is a fool. I mean really you just flamed yourself.

"if you consider all the factors she has presented, and become a slightly more optomistic student of human behavior, you may find you can clearly see how to take such a comment."

You ever seen an abused dog? One that has been beaten within an inch of its life routinely? It flinches a lot. CH will too. If you are a CH then you know how that comment could have been taken very very very very wrong.

Many of the more vocal CH (including myself) have already said that it is delightful to see Tiggs try to communicate past that one set of words. She has already posted back on the subject itself twice. It is more than we got for any other miscommunication in the past. I for one, am taking it as a mis-speak.

We have instructed her that many CH just do not bother complaining to friends in game. It is useless.

We cannot even agree to organize any kind of protest or what to protest about. Boycotting BE penalizes a profession that mostly is working as is. Except their monster non-CH pets do make being CH useless. Rallies have been outlawed in the new TOS policies. We cannot agree to whether PvP, PvE, or Taming is a priority. God forbid I try to get support for the Faction Grind penalty of CH.

We cannot even complain here without other sunshiny CH simply blowing us off as whiners. What motivation they have for being even more dismissive is an unknown. Jobs positions with SOE can be my only guess.

I can see me constantly complaining to the 2-3 friends I have left in the game. I would quickly be friendless. The only thing to do for anyone is say its a JTL day and hope that the Combat Docs come Friday.

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Acrod_Novys

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:11 am

#1039

Pluto9Moon wrote:

Acrod,

"If you jump all over the negative factors you are just making a fool of yourself."

You just jumped all over Aahk's "negative factors". Love pointing these types of statements out. See words are a funny thing. You just said that person who points out negative is a fool. I mean really you just flamed yourself.

By "negative factors" I was referring not to negative attributes of a person, but rather an issue--therefore my point was not to avoid pointing out problems, but rather to avoid focusing too much when tiggs mentions one data point of a problem. I did not mean to flame anyone--but the single point I will concede is that I should have used a different phrase than "make a fool of yourself". for this, I apologize.

"if you consider all the factors she has presented, and become a slightly more optomistic student of human behavior, you may find you can clearly see how to take such a comment."

You ever seen an abused dog? One that has been beaten within an inch of its life routinely? It flinches a lot. CH will too. If you are a CH then you know how that comment could have been taken very very very very wrong.

I have been master CH since I started this game in January, and I certainly see how it could have been taken very wrong--that is what my post is about. I am not one of the sunshiny folks you mention below--I see reason to complain, but usually my complaints are voiced by others to a sufficient degree.

Many of the more vocal CH (including myself) have already said that it is delightful to see Tiggs try to communicate past that one set of words. She has already posted back on the subject itself twice. It is more than we got for any other miscommunication in the past. I for one, am taking it as a mis-speak.

We have instructed her that many CH just do not bother complaining to friends in game. It is useless.

We cannot even agree to organize any kind of protest or what to protest about. Boycotting BE penalizes a profession that mostly is working as is. Except their monster non-CH pets do make being CH useless. Rallies have been outlawed in the new TOS policies. We cannot agree to whether PvP, PvE, or Taming is a priority. God forbid I try to get support for the Faction Grind penalty of CH.

We cannot even complain here without other sunshiny CH simply blowing us off as whiners. What motivation they have for being even more dismissive is an unknown. Jobs positions with SOE can be my only guess.

I can see me constantly complaining to the 2-3 friends I have left in the game. I would quickly be friendless. The only thing to do for anyone is say its a JTL day and hope that the Combat Docs come Friday.

This is what Aakhperkare could have said. I agree 100%

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Aakhperkare

Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:22 am

#1040

I could have said a lot of things, not necessarily things you think I should have said. Because I don't particularly care for your arrogance on the matter, plus the fact that this hardly hadanything to do withbeing an "optomisticstudent of human behavior."

It's not being negative, it's reading something for what is was, which was a poorly formulated statement. It's not like I was the only one that reacted in the same way, because it didread as beingcondensending. It doesn't take a negative person, or a sunshine person to realize that...

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