Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: macro help
to Nvoight: You are making incorrect statements and false assumptions. I am an entertainer and do not afk on Bloodfin. Afkers do not hurt me one iota. I have more fun with my master musician now then I did in getting him to master.
By your argument I am guessing you are against macroing period, regardless of whether you are afk or not. It would help if you stated the more clearly and not just pick out the afkers.
DiusFidus wrote:
Sinda must subscribe to the argument that "I CAN SHOUT LOUDER SO MUST BE RIGHT"
Do you feel better now? Or are you just not comfortable dealing with valid counter-arguments that expose theloose logic under your positions?
The concept that you seem to be missing is that, the people who are macroing afk are trying to live in harmony with you, while you in your fanatacism can not accept any other view other then your own. This is why the comment,
I would only say they were trying to live in harmony if they gave a bucket of spit about how the rest of theplayers (including otherprofessions)felt about their macroing. They don't. They don't give a **edit** about living in harmony - they're there for themselves and their convenience, period.
Why are you trying to defend the Macro-zombies so stridently? You've denied that you are one, which is great, but now you seem to be on this crusade to preserve a behavior that adds nothing to the game, destroys any credibility our profession may have and enables some players to gain skills without doing anything but write a looping macro. I fail to see anything admirable or fair at all about that - much LESS an attempt to "live in harmony" with anybody. Seriously - are you afraid of it going away?
You are not the only one who plays the game" is (although cliched to death) still accurate.
I'm not the only player, but by the same token neither are the Macroers. I had never done anything to them - even grouped withthem before it became a major problem. And yet now the Master title I worked hard for, enduring weeks of flourishing and chatting with customers and going poor, has been devalued to the point that I've even considered giving up the skill. I'm not the one who devalued what other people achieved - that would be the hordes of macro-zombies standing in the cantinas pretending they're really there, deceiving people into thinking they're actually playing. AFK Macroing is merely a passive form of griefing -- usually unintentional, but the impact on the rest of us is the same.
If you can set aside your emotions for a sec,
Emotions? Considering the lame personal attacks levelled against me by several (including you), I think I've been incredibly measured in my response. I see this as a professional issue regarding game design, not a personal issue. Better check that mirror in front of you.
then you would realize that you are the one trying to enforce a specific playstyle on others, not vice versa.
So the basic question at hand is: Was the game designed to be played through automated macro loops, or was it designed to be played by live players actually sitting at the keyboard and chatting? Just because the game allows certain things doesn't mean they were an intended part of the design, does it? I don't want to force any play style on anyone - but I will also insist that macroing is NOT a playstyle. It's a cheap trick to gain skills without working on them. For it to be a playstyle, they have to actually play.
that doesn't mean I have some sort of moral obligation to be snide, nasty and mean spirited to people who do macro afk.That type of person I have no respect for. I have no problem with people who are against afkers, but when you got to go out of your way to harass them or grief them , make snide comments and implications then yes, I find it extremely distasteful.
What you're finding distasteful is YOUR interpretation of my position. I could care less if you respect my position, but at least you couldtry to quote me accurately.
When someone disagrees with you, you throw out accusations of cultural bias, then turn aaround and say Americans bastardized dancing giving it some sort of negative connotation.
LOL! Case in point! That particular discussion involved the real meaning of Exotic dancing and how it was implemented in SWG. It had nothing to do with AFK macroing. If you want sources and datato back up my position on exotic dancing,just ask, but don't assume I'm just throwing words around - I don't do that. You're only convincing me that you have a real problem accepting other people's opinions here, and I have to ask why that is. You obviously have some skill with the language even if your twists and turns of logic are gravity-defying. So I'm at a loss - I can only chalk it up to you making assumptions without much basis in fact, and failing to try to understand a poster's point.
If you want to be against it fine, that is perfectly acceptable. All I ask is you stop the harassing and giving people ideas on how to grief afkers.
... Or it could also be that you just haven't been reading this board for long. None of the ideas I've mentioned (usually in sarcastic jest, by the way) was my original idea. All of them were taken from ideas other players put forth, again usually in jest, for dealing with the annoyance of AFK zombie-bots. So your accusations here are half-baked, and I will suggest to you what you're trying to recommend to me: put down the emotions and slowly back away.
You still haven't explained to me how macroing is "playing the game", nor what the difference is between an AFK zombie and a game NPC.
The concept that you seem to be missing is that, the people who are macroing afk are trying to live in harmony with you, while you in your fanatacism can not accept any other view other then your own.
Well, cheaters ( people who gain benefits without earning them ) always want to play in harmony. In fact, to them, we play in perfect harmony, because they aren't there to notice the atmosphere when they are AFK. Those people that let macros run their character while AFK are clearly not caring about any other players or even harmony. How can they when they are away ?
Imagine I would install the latest OGC version or the latest cheat-du-jour for CS. I would like to play in harmony, but it's all those loser fanatics who can't stand my playstyle... right ?
I have more fun with my master musician now then I did in getting him to master.
A question then... are there any players apart from your direct friends who respect your title the same way they would have respected it before people began to macrotain ?
By your argument I am guessing you are against macroing period, regardless of whether you are afk or not. It would help if you stated the more clearly and not just pick out the afkers.
Well, don't guess, just ask me. I am against unattended gameplay, regardless of means. I'm not against AFK and I'm not against macros. I'm against using both for unattended gameplay while at the same time cheapening other players game experience. As long as you do it in private, I still think it's not ok, but not my business. If you do it next to me in my place of work... it is my business.
hey, i want to make a macro to fire (with a pistol) health shot 1 then healthshot 2 then switch to a carbine. the macro that i tried was:
/ui action toolbarSlot09; (where pistol is)
/healtshot1;
/healthshot2;
/ui action toolbarSlot14; (where carbine is)
every time i try this it switches immediatly to carbine so I can't fire the health shots..anyone have a suggestion on a macro that i can make to be able to fire the healthshots then switch to the carbine?
k, two things and i hope you don't feel i'm being pedantic -
1) you know you've mispelled healthshot the first time, right? While I sincerly doubt this is the problem, sometimes the obvious things pass us by
2)
It does work. But it is case sensitive.
I have a grind macro that goes:
/nextCraftingStage;
/nextCraftingStage;
/createPrototype;
/createPrototype;
This macro works so that all I do is click the crafting tool, choose the schematic, add components then hit the toolbar key I have assigned the macro too.
Hope this helps, Moy
Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone has a working macro for the Carbine fireknockdown, then llc lightning singla 2 combo. hehe one of my favorite combos.
Thanks