Bio Engineer Archive

I think my biggest problem with the profession right now is, as has been stated, the lack of respect we are getting, from both the players and the Live team.

The players see us as a necessary evil and respond to us as such. (There are a few out there that think we're great, but overall, it's a much different story.) Everyone in here has at least one story of that, whether it be abuse, harassment or bypassing a LIVE entertainer for that buffbot in the corner bearing a Master tag.

The lack of respect from the Live team is much different and more hurtful. We are essentially ignored, and to the point where a lot of us think that the feeling is "If we don't acknowledge them, maybe they'll shut up and carry on with what they have." We were essentially left out of the Aurilia quests, having no way for a pure Entertainer class to do ANY of the Force Sensitivity quests, even to the point where a pure Entertainer either has to respec their character to get Force Sensitivity or just have absolutely NO chance of ever having a Jedi character. (I do not personally fall into this category, but I can certainly empathize with those that do.) We are also awaiting the first real Entertainer content to come out since before I started playing (Christmas 2003), and have had absolutely no word on the progress, estimated release date, or functional status of the content, not to mention the badly timed and overly prohibitive cost to acquire such content. (A 400K experience point cost for a dance and song so soon after the release of Publish 10 is appalling.)

I think most of us would appreciate the respect levels on both sides going up as a way of rebuilding trust in both sects of the game experience. Communicate with us...let us know that we are being looked after...even a "No, that's not possible in any lifetime." is infintely preferable to the treatment we are receiving now.

Thanks for allowing me (and us) the chance to give you some input on what we feel the issues are.Now, we'll just sit back and see if the current drought has an end in sight. (And forgive my pessimism at this point...It's not my usual way of doing business, but past experience is a hell of a teacher. )

Danaea V'Anar - Alliance Clandestine Procurement Specialist
Kynara - Alliance Military Intelligence Operative

West Anchorhead Community (WAH) - Starsider

Frankly, I think the most pressing issue for commandos right now is getting a complete overhaul of the profession.

Corona, Corellia.. a hop skip and jump from Tyrena.
Visit the mall in the cantina!!
YAY They finally fixed wookie aprons!

Fix the base dances (all stop animation, deal with server location reporting, full flourishes, no repeats, actual differences between lvl 1 and lvl 2 dances)

Get the heck rid of falling. Serves no purpose but embarrassment.

Find a way for entertainers to dynamically provide their services while supporting performances and grouping in the cantinas

Try to actually engage and respect our place in the game so that our profession and ALL professions move forward together to make the game more star wars with more content

Tandaava
Member of /ENT, Manager, Ret.

/ENT is for ALL Live Entertainers who want to help other people! Be it buff, heal, amuse, entertain, socialize or roleplay. Join up at Kettemoor/CHAT/ENT today!

Unattended play kills games. Please help us save our profession. Please remove unattended play.

We need an encompassing statement from the development team regarding their vision of the role fulfilled by the entertainer professions in SWG. Without such a statement from the developers, we've no framework within which to determine if any of our ideas, suggestions or wishes will be considered valid.

We need game inclusionary content such as the FS quests being enjoyed by other professions. Include us in the GCW, fix faction buffs please!

The entertainer professions suffer severe economic inequity, due to low mission payout, dependence upon the generosity of other players for income and the availability of buffbots which provide the benefits of our services at no charge.

Esharra ěsh-äŕ-rä, noun
1. Entertainer
2. Bounty Hunter
3. Smuggler

"One man's oddity is another man's routine." -Bertos Goodner (a dancer)

Since I am the new kid on the block I would like to take a little survey to see what you feel is the most pressing issue with your profession right now. Wait! Don't post just yet, seriously think about this for a moment and post what "you" feel is important, not what you think the overall class feels is important. (Flamers, trolls need not reply). Please do not link me to another thread, I want it in "your" words.

First of all, I am highly gratified to see a post by a developer on this branch of the forums. I have not read everyone else's replies, but in order to give you what I feel is appropriate feedback, I would rather not read them until I have posted. I would like to tell you about myself for just a quick moment. I have been a CH for a solid year, Master CH since early December '03.

In my mind, I truly do not believe that anyone is belligerent at heart, nor am I going to be in this reply. My intent is to provide you with the information you feel is constructive feedback that will help you ascertain our profession.

I have mastered several combat class professions on other servers, and I know that all combat classes have their quirks. In that sense -- in that regard -- I do realize the developers have to have a lot on their plate at this point. But, as with any MMORPG, I also realize that SWG is always, and will always remain-- a work in progress.

With that, I think what is most important to me forthe profession of Creature Handler overall is that it becomes, as Vertexon put it in one of his most well-known threads to try and help us -- becomes a 'competitive profession' once again.

When I first started playing this game over a year ago, as soon as I saw popular, canon SW creatures like Rancors being tamed, I knew that's what I wanted to do. For me, it was a no brainer. I embraced the profession with a passion.CreatureHandleris and will always be a very dynamic profession where the possibilities of pet ownership is concerned, using your virtual pets in the game as battleground companions, and even growing close to them as friends.Only speaking for myself, they(the pets)create a profound attachment to the profession for me, personally.

My first PvP battle following the revamp (about 2 months after), you might imagine my shock when people in the game were less than nice about getting my pet out of their way, and when I sent the pet into battle, again my shock at a fully grown rancor getting incapped by a Master Heavy Swordsman/Combat Medic in less than 5 seconds, before I could even fire a shot with my rifle.

My pets are far more valuable to me than that, some of them one-of-a-kind, so I no longer risk their safety in PvP, unless they are easily replaceable.

I have seen to this day, special high-level (over level 50) pets people have tamed prior to the December revamp that are now 'extinct'. I do not know what it would take on your end to recode the game for such a change in the future, but some of these rare pets look very appealing to me, and I would love to take on the quest of finding one if they existed yet again as tamable babies (included but not limited to the Frenzied Graul, Merek King Harvester, Merek Queen Harvester, Kliknik Queen, etc). Long before I discovered these forums, or swgcreatures.com, I used to just drive around as a new Master CH, trying to find new pets to tame. I did things the hard way -- tapping lairs and seeing if babies existed. In my searches I found many great mid-to-high levelanimals (particularly on Endor) I would personally love to see tamable.

So, with the MCH revamp of December, I began to notice some serious changes within my own community. Pet stims have become harder to find, as well as pet supplies. Bio-Engineered pets are no longer abundant on vendors, they have to be custom-ordered if you have something special in mind. I could only surmise that people left the profession due to disappointment in the changes. However, I am also aware that today, more and more people who came into the game after the December CH revamp are becoming CH's, so as a veteran of the profession, I feel compelled to help them and educate them.

I don't think that CH isa bad profession, far from it. If it was truly that bad, I would find another profession to master. Why do I keep it? Because I love it that much. There is definitely room for improvement, but it is not a 'bad' profession in the grand scheme of things. Again, I love the profession, and would never give it up for the above-reasons.

There are no promises being made that you will see immediate changes implemented. This is simply to gauge what you feel is important so that I can discuss this further with the team. I am going through a few professions at a time so if you don't see this post in another forum you participate in, do not worry. I will get to the other forums in due time

Thanks in advance for taking the time out to do this.

Tycalibur Bakado -- Master Rifleman/Master Creature Handler
Student of the Force - RotJ
Naritus Server
Tycalibur Haruhara -- MCH/MBH
High Council Member, Galactic CH Guild
Radiant Server

hey Tiggs - its nice to see you pop in like this,

Being a former master commando,(my first character in game)and only character i have ever been, I am now grinding out a new one due to a long absense due to RL stuff.

I can say you can just read every post up above - because they are very accurate - even back from when I used to play and now - these have all been the most wanted. I think one peep hit on it - but most are lacking this idea in their posts - is more of a presence from the Dev representing me and my fellow commandos. Keeping your troops informed is crucial in real life and in game play. so, my request is:

1)More Dev participation in these forums (our correspondent already kicks all @$#!!!!

2)Being more informed on key issues - even if their ideas or far of from completion

3)Launcher Pistol having its own skill tree - after all - it is our bread and butter gun - Oh how I love this gun!!

Ill keep it simple - Im not a flamer on these posts - i hope this didnt seem like I was flaming the devs - it wasnt meant that way at all.

Malakye

Commando for life

Malikye
Master Commando/TKM
Commando for Life
Gorath Server
"Discipline is what you are in the dark, when no one else is looking"

Tiggs..

So glad you are taking the time to stop by and hear our issues.

I read here, don't post here a lot, though I probably should. The issues I have with dancer have not changes in the 14 months I have played and the 13 months that I have been a Master Dancer.

One of the problems this profession has, (and please excuse me fellow dancers as I really do not mean it in a negative way) is that is primarily populated by the female player. And female players are often new to the MMORPG game. Males Scream, Rant, Rave, and carry on to get the issues of their pet profession heard. Females say what they want and assume they are heard and patiently wait till thier turn comes. But that never happens as the Combat professions are never happy. Every fix on one unbalances the others and there is more screaming.

Squeaky wheels get the grease. and Dancers are not squeaky enough.

Make live dancers necessary like live ID's.

There will always be those of us who love the profession and will stick with it. But make the game mechanics fun for us too..

OMG.. let us do a florish that does an AOE knockdown.. lol or tapdance someone to death (my joke..lol) but something,

everyone else can state the issues. I agree with them all.. I am stating the attitude.

Thanks so much.

and STANDING OVATION to my fellow dancers.

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Druarc Cristar (Zabrak on Intrepid)
Beta CH, pre-cu CH/Rifleman
pre NGE TKA/Swordman/Doctor/FS
post NGE Jedi
Mese Melar Intrepid - Weapons Dealer Retired
Druena Cristar Intrepid - Officer in training.

I'm curious to know if Thunderheart warned you about us in any way, shape, or form...

"Beware of the lunatics in the commando forums; they take flaming to a whole new level."

Everyone's already said anything I'd want to say, but I do want to emphasize that we'd like to see posts from red names around here more often, even if it's just to say "No news for you yet, but we are working on it." The past few times we got anything from the SOE team, it was due to flame-filled threats and tons of PMs. We've been accused of negativity here, but that's because we feel ignored. Man, even a periodic "Hi, guys, how you doing?" would be okay at this point.

Aside from that, Tiggs, if you can get me a minigun and grenade launcher (or a tank), I will be your bestest friend...right after I pay a visit to Coronet.

Edit: Okay, I see people asking for a skill tree devoted to the launcher pistol... Allow me to go on record, once again, saying a big fat NO to that idea. BHs have an entire pistols tree, smugglers have an entire pistol tree, and pistols themselves have an entire profession devoted to them. Commando does not need an entire skill tree for the launcher pistol itself. Instead, I want a skill tree that focuses on improving all our pre-req skills, including new specials that are exclusively for commandos. Box 1 would be pistol mods and specials. Box 2 would be rifles, 3 would be carbines, 4 would be unarmed, with our final skill mods for everything coming at master. This makes all the hell we went through to get novice commando mean more, while still giving a new special or two for the launcher pistol (and every other basic marksman weapon, maybe even an unarmed KD).

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***Valcyn - Lt. Colonel Ryubushi [ONE] of the Empire (the Tank Maniac); Career Master Commando, Master Carbineer, and extremely Anti-NGE.
***Eclipse - Ryushidosha, freelancer; Scaley Master Carbineer, ranger, merc for hire, and general sociopath...that despises the NGE.
***StarSider - Ja'ahn Woo [PYRO] of the Alliance - The Galaxy's first Jawa commando/carbineer...who also hates the NGE.

People like me...because I force them to...with violence!

Ok, I'm going to try again.

There are a lot of issues with our profession. I'll name just a few that are very worthy of attention before I get into the meat of my argument about what *the* main issue is, to me.

*sniff* You guys rock. I know how hard it is to keep talking about the same issues over and over again (believe me, I know!), but you guys are doing great! As frustrated as I get sometimes, it's the people who want to play Dancer and other Ents that keep me here.

In every online game I play, I seek out players like we have in our community here. That's the one thing that has gone right with our little experiment so far... SOE gave us a name. Now if we can just get this whole dance thing worked out...

Anyway, I'm glad to be a part of this community. I'll stop ninjaing Tiggs' thread now.

Tiggs - Please listen to these posters. There is a reason why people care about this prof and stick with it. People want to play a Dancer. This isn't just normal "forum whining." These people really care about this experience and want to see it succeed.