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Thread: What would you do?

Joilhath
Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:47 am
#40

I have made a couple of these pets on request of some people. I don't charge alot as I know they're be going the way of the dodo, and I make sure the customer knows this before I sell it. If theywant to have something fun to play with for a couple of days or weeks their call.



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Catachan
Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:08 pm
#41

OK, so i'm in Coronet advertising my slicing services, and a woman with a Gaffi stick comes up to me and asks for a slice.


I accept the weapon, and slice it, making an 18% damage slice.


I charge 100cr per % (it's in my advert), yet when I ask for the payment, the lady gives me 1,118 credits, claiming that's all she has, yet she has a decent gaffi stick and nice clothing.


What would you do in this situation? In the end I let her go but told her never to ask me for a slice again.




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Smuggler_Caylin
Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:10 pm
#42

If it were me, I'd give her back her weapon, and put her name on the 'list'. I mean, after all, only lost about 682 credits. It's not about to be the end of your career or income.



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Tych
Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:39 pm
#43

Reminds me of a time, way back near launch, when I had someone slice something, only to realize I'd blown all my money on something fairly trivial. I actually asked the smuggler to follow me on a mission so I could pay him. I think that was one of my most embarassing moments in-game. "Uh... you're not gonna belive this, but I'm dead broke..."





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Ostracized
Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:56 pm
#44






Smuggler_Caylin wrote:

If it were me, I'd give her back her weapon, and put her name on the 'list'. I mean, after all, only lost about 682 credits. It's not about to be the end of your career or income.





Actually thinking about it if she has a nice Gaffi stick and decent clothes there are only 2 options i can think of.



1. She has access to a decent bank (alt or guild whatever)


2. She was given these items by friends or nice people.



If it was under 1000 credits more then likely she was not lying about being broke. She handed you every penny she had (well probably set aside around 1k to use for transportation) and was being more or less honest.



I would probably offer to do the slice just for cost for her. If she is indeed broke and only gotten these items as gifts.. then she would be happy and probably continue to pass on the good nature she has been shown once she is more powerful. If she is rich somehow she would probably remember your generosity and repay you somehow in the future.



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Vipossk
Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:49 pm
#45

Just another reason to state your price up front instead of doing the percentage thing. If they din't have the credits or don't like my pricing, they can go find someone else to do the job. It might sound harsh, but it will save you a lot of headaches.

Xeranx
Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:36 pm
#46

You can only accept what they tell you. There's no way you can validate what they actually have in their accounts. I tend to be good natured so I'll say that's ok or tell them to keep it and give them their sliced weapon back. Chances are, if they're the honest type, they'll feel guilty about that occurrence and make sure that they pay you later on or give you something of value that usually ends up being worth more than what they owe you.


As the above poster said, you can never have too much good karma.






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Aladine
Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:46 pm
#47

In your situation I would give it back...its not a big loss but I would make some changes to the way to slice stuff, or at least the way you have people agree to you slicing their goods.


Onesuggestion would be to put in your profile your slicing rules, some people's rules include the message, if you dont pay I keep the item, and each time you start slicing for someone, you have them read your rules and agree to them, then you tell them you take screenies of all the acceptances as the signed contract...even if you don't bother to. That way if they try to say you stole the item after you don't return it they you would, in theory have proof that they agreed to your slicing rules.


You could also make a macro that does a /tell %TT (or whatever the current target command is) Here are my slicing rules....then spell them out and at the bottom ask if they accept, and screenie that.


The second method is the one I plan to use when I master smuggler and start slicing for the public. I don't mean to be a **edit** to these people, but I have a simple motto...Can't pay...ok I'll keep this for payment. If they are guilded there has to be someone who can tip them the 3k to pay you fully, otherwise they are just tryn to pull one over on ya and thats not happening on my watch.



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electricnomad
Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:13 pm
#48




Catachan wrote:

OK, so i'm in Coronet advertising my slicing services, and a woman with a Gaffi stick comes up to me and asks for a slice.


I accept the weapon, and slice it, making an 18% damage slice.


I charge 100cr per % (it's in my advert), yet when I ask for the payment, the lady gives me 1,118 credits, claiming that's all she has, yet she has a decent gaffi stick and nice clothing.


What would you do in this situation? In the end I let her go but told her never to ask me for a slice again.



Without question, I'd keep the Gaffi Stick until she agreed to pay 1800 credits.


Getting me to agree to something before the fact is one thing (and highly unlikely, since I charge a flat 5000 per slice). But trying to stiff me after the fact is an absolutely losing proposition.


I'm an honest Smuggler. I expect honesty out of my clients. If your customer knows the rules, there's zero excuse to change the rules after the fact, and poverty is no excuse.


What I would have done is offer to hold the item for an hour while she ran missions to get the rest of the cash. If, at the end of the hour, she couldn't deliver the cash, I'd probably put it up for sale on the bazaar for 1820 credits. At that point, it would be out of my hands, and anyone who wanted to complain on my server boards would have plenty of screenshotted conversations to read that I would have taken.


This is one of the reasons why I ALWAYS agree to a price in advance, which usually consists of me asking "I charge 5000 credits per slice. Is that okay with you?" There's no wiggle room after that when they subsequently agree to trade.





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darksithmage
Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:06 am
#49

As stated by another poster, it's why I stopped the credits per % game, it gets in the way sometimes, a customer may have every good intention of paying you, but let's say they get a plethora of "really" good slices, you may exceed their budget. MY pricing scheme as it stands is 3k per item, 20k for a suit of armor (at 9 pieces counting as a set) this works pretty well, the customer can calculate before hand how much they want to spend, no harm no foul, no hassles or headaches.



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darksithmage
Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:08 am
#50

Oh forgot to add, telling someone to never ask you to slice again is a bit harsh, over some 600 credits, it sounds to me she genually probably didn't have it, cause it seems a silly scam to jip a smuggler out of 600 credits. Now if you had to slice a suit of composite, and let's say you charged 22k for the set and someone tries to give you, oh 9 k for it, then that's when you refer them away from your person.



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Bossov
Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:13 am
#51

Hey back when I was poor I never got myself into something that I couldn't pay for. She had to have a friend or guildie that could have spotted her the creds. Like the original poster said, it's all about principles. I've had a few people do the "Ooops, I don't have the money on me" line, and I always refused to trade and told them to bank tip or I could followthem to the bank. I've never had an occurence exactly like this one though. Now someone mentioned how she might have been an honest person and whatnot, well if that's the case she'd have made a deal with this guy or done a quick mission or something. She's either a small time scammer or someone who has no honour or pride in herself. See my first real friend in game was a millionaire in-game and I hadonly hit 100K once when saving for a house, at the time I was usually stuck around 20k tops. He invited me to hunt on Endor once and when we had some downtime I checked my credits and couldn't afford a ticket home. I felt horrible asking my friend for the credits and he went ahead and gave me 20K. Well every time I got online that was always in the back of my head til I payed him back. I can imagine how I would have felt if I didn't have the money to pay a stranger for their services(that sounds kinda funny), but from what this guy said she just gave him some credits and expects him to just forget about it. Screw her. From what you said, at the very least she has no dignity.



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SpyBoy
Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:13 pm
#52

So i just log in, JUST, and im sitting on a chair in a cantina and there are 2 players standing over me asking me to slice their weapons. I have no tools on me and i keep them in my droid which i couldnt get out in there so i tell them to wait there and go outside.....


Do you


a)Jump onyour speeder and get the hell out of dodge?


or


b) Get your stuff out and go back inside?


Truthfully (a) crossed my mind but you could hear them inside with another player saying 'i dont think hes coming back' and just had to prove them wrong. I didnt feel bad it was a crappy slice, but it was a crappy weapon too.



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