Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Correspondent
Alternativ wrote:I think everyone Varv asked to has refused (including me) and i can't blame them for that.
who wants to be the correspondant of a community composed with a vast majority of :
- whiners
- dabblers
- crybabies
- fill the blanks with whatever suits you.
The Eyeshot nerf is maybe the only one that will make me smile.
Not that i will like it, but some people here did beg for it.
Alternativ - the word dabbler in your post caught my eye. What is it you (and others) have against dabblers, especially in Bounty Hunter? Bounty Hunter is one of the professions whose prerequisite is to master 2 novice skills (Marksman and Scout). IMO, anyone who dabbles in Bounty Hunter is a helluva serious dabbler.
With all that it took to get to Novice Bounty Hunter, why are you for the eyeshot nerf? What are you realistically comparing to?
When someone says dabbler -- it's sounds like they are saying: I'mL33T and you'rea n00b.
Hybrid is what it should actually be called.
Hybrid charactershave spent just as much time as the "l33t" players (I suppose it's convenient to paint the picture that this isn't the case --that hybrids haven't spent a lot of time building their character).
Hybrid characters are what make this game interesting -- we were all cookie-cutter characters, it's would be extremely lame and boring.
If you take only 1 or 2 lines in BH (weapons lines obviously) + master Pistoleer/Carbin/Rifleman :
- you're not a bounty hunter (check the word bounty again)
- you have a very powerful character, both in PvP/PvE and you have a lot of skill points left that allow you to dabble even more in Medic. So you get something near to invicible : Deadly dmg + incredible healing
- you use special moves that were designed ESPECIALLY for taking down marks. But you don't hunt. instead of that, you go PvPing and you wear most of the time the "Expert Bounty Hunter" title, thus making an even worse reputation for our profession, thus bringing the nerf cries over us.
Let me sum it all up : there are people that are not bounty hunters, who wears the "expert Bounty hunter" title and never hunt anything.
They just use our skills to grief other players in PvP and that attacts the nerf cries like nothing else.
The nerf cries result MOST OF THE TIME in a nerf which applies to both PvP and PvE.
Which brings us using cheap tactics like the CDEF Carbin, pets and bleed/run for taking down our marks.
That's the reason why i'm not much in love with COMBAT dabblers.There's no need for them to get even more powerful than they are.
But I couldn't careless if you go spend some points in Medic after MBH.
Alternativ wrote:
If you take only 1 or 2 lines in BH (weapons lines obviously) + master Pistoleer/Carbin/Rifleman :
- you're not a bounty hunter (check the word bounty again)
- you have a very powerful character, both in PvP/PvE and you have a lot of skill points left that allow you to dabble even more in Medic. So you get something near to invicible : Deadly dmg + incredible healing
- you use special moves that were designed ESPECIALLY for taking down marks. But you don't hunt. instead of that, you go PvPing and you wear most of the time the "Expert Bounty Hunter" title, thus making an even worse reputation for our profession, thus bringing the nerf cries over us.
Let me sum it all up : there are people that are not bounty hunters, who wears the "expert Bounty hunter" title and never hunt anything.
They just use our skills to grief other players in PvP and that attacts the nerf cries like nothing else.
The nerf cries result MOST OF THE TIME in a nerf which applies to both PvP and PvE.
Which brings us using cheap tactics like the CDEF Carbin, pets and bleed/run for taking down our marks.
That's the reason why i'm not much in love with COMBAT dabblers.There's no need for them to get even more powerful than they are.
But I couldn't careless if you go spend some points in Medic after MBH.
There are too many personal agendas running around trying to prevent dabblers, run off our correspondent and usurp power...
This is one of them.
A Novice Bounty Hunter is a Bounty Hunter. AnExpertBounty Hunter with 1 or 2 lines of Bounty Hunter is a Bounty Hunter. A Master Bounty Hunter is a Bounty Hunter (although with the face that these guys put on it, who would want to stand next to them?).
Alternativ wrote:If you take only 1 or 2 lines in BH (weapons lines obviously) + master Pistoleer/Carbin/Rifleman :
- you're not a bounty hunter (check the word bounty again)
- you have a very powerful character, both in PvP/PvE and you have a lot of skill points left that allow you to dabble even more in Medic. So you get something near to invicible : Deadly dmg + incredible healing
- you use special moves that were designed ESPECIALLY for taking down marks. But you don't hunt. instead of that, you go PvPing and you wear most of the time the "Expert Bounty Hunter" title, thus making an even worse reputation for our profession, thus bringing the nerf cries over us.
Let me sum it all up : there are people that are not bounty hunters, who wears the "expert Bounty hunter" title and never hunt anything.
They just use our skills to grief other players in PvP and that attacts the nerf cries like nothing else.The nerf cries result MOST OF THE TIME in a nerf which applies to both PvP and PvE.
Which brings us using cheap tactics like the CDEF Carbin, pets and bleed/run for taking down our marks.That's the reason why i'm not much in love with COMBAT dabblers. There's no need for them to get even more powerful than they are.
But I couldn't care less if you go spend some points in Medic after MBH.
A bit of a myopic view, but I understand the situation you're painting. I'm also not sure where you're getting the word *you* that you keep referring to.
I am a dabbler (I prefer the word Hybrid - someone else coined that phrase). I picked up Bounty Hunter to be a Bounty Hunter and do Bounty Hunter missions. I don't PvP, at least this early in the game. My marks are incredibly difficult for me. Most of the time I'm incapped, bleeding, dead, and my stats are slammed such that I'm not able to wear my armor for extended periods of time. I had hoped that by picking up *some* Bounty Hunter that I could make a character that could hold his own. That is not necessarily the case in a good number of situations.
I do not have any skills into Pistoleer, Rifleman, or Carbineer. I have very little Novice Medic, therefore very little healing ability. I do have some skills in Creature Handler because I enjoy the profession. My pets help me handle mobs somewhat, but most times not.
The picture you paint describes someone that exploits certain features of BH. That picture doesn't ascribe to everyone; certainly not me. I worked long and hard to get to where I am now, and am trying to balance the skills I need to stay viable in as many situations as I can while delving into the various aspects of the game.
There should have been certain professions that you couldn't spread out into, Commando is one, Bounty Hunter and Smuggler are the others. Some like Creature Handler shouldn't even exist.
The nature of the Hybrids, and their professional duties, should restrict dabbling in them.
I don't want to turn it into an argument post. The fact is, this is one of those professions, and the needs of dabblers are different than those interested in pure BH.
There have been many instances where I'm surrounded by aggros that seemingly pop up out of nowhere. If the Bounty Hunter skills I worked so hard for are taken away, what alternative do I have to protect myself? Do I then have to go back and rely on novice marksman skills to do so? That's just ridiculous.
Leave the Bounty Hunter skills the way they are and move on to something else.
Wepps wrote:There should have been certain professions that you couldn't spread out into, Commando is one, Bounty Hunter and Smuggler are the others. Some like Creature Handler shouldn't even exist.
The nature of the Hybrids, and their professional duties, should restrict dabbling in them.
I don't want to turn it into an argument post. The fact is, this is one of those professions, and the needs of dabblers are different than those interested in pure BH.
So you're saying that all character types have to be black-and-white, no shades of gray? Don't you think that's a bit boring? Don't you think that'll just lead to cookie-cutter character types?
This is a game, for Gods sake. Why not just enjoy it the way *you* want to and let everyone else do the same?
Alternativ wrote:
If you take only 1 or 2 lines in BH (weapons lines obviously) + master Pistoleer/Carbin/Rifleman :
- you're not a bounty hunter (check the word bounty again)
What are you then? because i'm 100% sure they master the same skills and pay the same points as everyone else to gain noive Bounty hunter and what ever skills they train. Or you trying to say a novice bounty hunter isn't really a bounty hunter?.
- you have a very powerful character, both in PvP/PvE and you have a lot of skill points left that allow you to dabble even more in Medic. So you get something near to invicible : Deadly dmg + incredible healing
Well if you enjoy PvP more than killing NPC mobs then why not take the bestmods and skills?, its not an exploit to do so , its the way the game is made and I don't think it will every change.
- you use special moves that were designed ESPECIALLY for taking down marks. But you don't hunt. instead of that, you go PvPing and you wear most of the time the "Expert Bounty Hunter" title, thus making an even worse reputation for our profession, thus bringing the nerf cries over us.
If this way true then Bounty hunters wouldn't beable to PvP or duel because our special moves are designed for marks , The hole Bounty hunter class was rushed in the beta and now they are trying to balance it , like it or not thats whats happening.
Let me sum it all up : there are people that are not bounty hunters, who wears the "expert Bounty hunter" title and never hunt anything.
They just use our skills to grief other players in PvP and that attacts the nerf cries like nothing else.
Same as before they pay and master the same as everyone else , so Novice doesn't = a Bounty hunter?. When you say "our" do you mean that you are somwhat above them because you plan on mastering the skill?.
The nerf cries result MOST OF THE TIME in a nerf which applies to both PvP and PvE.
Which brings us using cheap tactics like the CDEF Carbin, pets and bleed/run for taking down our marks.
How is a Pets cheap? , even at master with the 33 points you have left you can have some nice Creature handler skills, Bleed and run is a tactics cheap or not its a means of killing things the Dev claim we should'nt beable to kill nor do they want us killing them.
That's the reason why i'm not much in love with COMBAT dabblers.There's no need for them to get even more powerful than they are.
If you can't beat them join them.... everyone has the same options has everyone else no one is focing you to Master Bounty hunting its what you want to do, If people want to pick and select the best skills and mods they can then whats wrong with that. They pay the same POINTS as you.
But I couldn't careless if you go spend some points in Medic after MBH.
Isn't having medic skills dabblering? I mean your not going to master medic are you so you are infact dabblering in medic but this is ok right?. I mean if you was such a purest you would just master Bounty hunter and leave your 33 points alone.
I think not.......
Nonsense. The guy was pushing his personal 'vision' of how the skills on the Bounty Hunter page should be arranged. Not only is that unprofessional, it's not what the 'correspondent' is supposed to be doing. The players have issues, the correspondent formats them and sends them to the Devs. The devs have questions regarding the input, the correspondent clarifies. When the devs give feedback, if there is any clarification needed, the correspondent requests it.
This guy was using his position to put his ideas front and center. He would put them out and temper the inpropriety by asking for 'feedback'. Completely unacceptable.
The correspondent's position is not even to get a 'feel' for the community as represented on the forums as the forum population is a tiny percentage of the playerbase and is skewed towards people with freakishly strong opinions that are NOT mainstream (and I include myself in that portrayal.)
The 'correspondent' is not an 'advocate'. He is not 'fighting' for anything. He is a conduit. The players are advocates and the 'correspondent' is their telephone line. Once this telephone line becomes poisoned with personal view, it can be considered flawed and broken. This was the case.
I don't want to see somebody with 'vision' in any correspondent position. I want to see tenacious people. Effective people. Their job is to get feedback. The BH correspondent failed in the only responsibility I see proffered to the position: to fight to get answers.
That last thing I EVER want to see is one player who has mastered some arbitrary profession having a one-on-one with any developer and potentially shaping the future of the game I am paying good money for. That is selfish and unfair to all the rest of us who simply look to this person to get us answers.
Please try to keep your issues in one big thread, hopefully it will get noticed faster that way:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=417556