Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Trying to bring a little sanity to a board that is rapidly becoming an un-fun place to be
"No, the posts are making it an un-fun atmosphere.. and like all of you like to menton, the devs don't post here."
Your suggesting that through sheer denial we will make this a fun profession. Man pass me the pipe i think youve had enough.
"The dev's lack of response does not hit the "submit button" on the lithium board software.. You all do."
Lithium is for manic depressives who have a chemical imbalance, i believe you are looking for prozak, which is fun for the whole family.
"All the ranting, raving, jumping up and down, and yelling is from the posters, nobody else. The devs didn't _make_ you do anything, it is a choice you all made... no matter what the root cause is."
I cant get past a single experimentation use or make a tameable Kimo, not cause of bad programming, its because i subconciously choose not to.....ok now your just trolling.
If Keldarin came in here right now and posted "BE's will be hotfixed Sat. morning PST." 90% of you would yell "LIAR!" (He won't btw).
At this point a mere correspondant (like yourself, medic) isnt going to cut it, we want OFFICIAL word, beginning to wonder if theres even a point to having a correspondant.
Everyone has seen Holo's slideshow. Never reward the complainers.
Theres a extremely large amount of Creature Handlers who would dissagree with you on this.
You all (in general) have chosen to go past being an honestly damaged profession, into the ranter/ complainer /flamer category. I would be willing to bet that's why you get no answers now.
Being meek and unobtrusive has worked very well for the chef's so far, one of the most feared professions in the galaxy, unlike those loudmouth bountyhunters who get one shotted by any melee dude.
In all honesty, I wouldn't post here either if I were them. There is no reason to... nothing to gain. it is a better plan to just work on the fixes and let you snipe at each other (or me). Sometimes I don't know why I bother to come here, it doesn't help me play my BE character at all... Mostly it just makes me sad that people behave like this over a game.
Well gee Dad you have thoroughly chastised us for daring to raise our voices to your bosses (wonder what they pay him). Please dont take your ball and go home! IF your trolling for fun then bravo you got me to rant at you, but if you actually believe what your typing then please go back to running your own (working) profession board and leave us to deal with our own problems. If nothing else then youll probably have your buddies the mod's lock this thread for flaming but what the hell did you expect when you write such obvious trash, havent you learned that were not going to just lie back and take it any more?
I felt as a member of the BE community, I should post something showing how I feel about it all. You can think I am wrong all you like, just as I have to right to think most of you are wrong... most of the responses I got pretty much proves me correct IMO.
I obviously can't tackle the negativity here on my own... there is just one of me, and I don't represent enough of the BE community, as a player, to matter I guess
. I just hope that when the clone changes do go in, everyone looks back on the way they behaved and regrets it.Maybe this place will become a worthwhile place to post again.
-T
traigus with all due respect ive enjoyed some of the posts youve made to this board but i find it hard to agree with what you have just said.
first off a great deal of information is and has been available on this board dating back to its start. unfortunately as this class has stagnated the posts about macroing and 'where are my stim b schematics' have come to dominate the lists of threads. if you havent found a wealth of information about the class here its simply because you havent been looking.most of the commonly known answers now took a great deal of time to sort out. im sure you would have enjoyed participating in that discussion many months ago and possibly you will have that chance when the cloning changes are done. the fact is you are waiting for the same thing that many have been promised and waiting for since the first week after release.
fixes to cloning have simply been the top issue since day 1. its what attracted most to the class and therefore the most important. the developers requested the top 5 issues from every class to try to address them and for most bioengineers there is and has always been only one issue that despite vague promises has never been dealt with.actually it goes further than not being dealt with in that it has been deliberately maintained- the bol was turned on this patch finally giving us a pet that fell between 2 boxes of ch exp and master. thatcame about through cloning and the rest have beenleft out continuing to intentionally handicap the class.armorsmiths claim problems with 2 minor lines (psg and tantel armor) have been their main issue since release and are upset they havent been addressed. for bioengineering we have it reversed with 2 minor lines that work and the rest has yet to be addressed with more than empty statements.
i fail to see how you can characterize any of this as hate and personally if i were tal-n i would be quite offended. you may not agree with his opinion butit is clear that there isa serious internal issue with soe here which at its very best can be described as very poor customer relations. or is it that you feel the onerous requirements and the handcrafting of the unwanted pet meds was a sound decision to improve thein game experience forthe profession?
Kova wrote:traigus with all due respect ive enjoyed some of the posts youve made to this board but i find it hard to agree with what you have just said.
first off a great deal of information is and has been available on this board dating back to its start. unfortunately as this class has stagnated the posts about macroing and 'where are my stim b schematics' have come to dominate the lists of threads. if you havent found a wealth of information about the class here its simply because you havent been looking. most of the commonly known answers now took a great deal of time to sort out. im sure you would have enjoyed participating in that discussion many months ago and possibly you will have that chance when the cloning changes are done. the fact is you are waiting for the same thing that many have been promised and waiting for since the first week after release.
fixes to cloning have simply been the top issue since day 1. its what attracted most to the class and therefore the most important. the developers requested the top 5 issues from every class to try to address them and for most bioengineers there is and has always been only one issue that despite vague promises has never been dealt with. actually it goes further than not being dealt with in that it has been deliberately maintained - the bol was turned on this patch finally giving us a pet that fell between 2 boxes of ch exp and master. that came about through cloning and the rest have been left out continuing to intentionally handicap the class. armorsmiths claim problems with 2 minor lines (psg and tantel armor) have been their main issue since release and are upset they havent been addressed. for bioengineering we have it reversed with 2 minor lines that work and the rest has yet to be addressed with more than empty statements.
i fail to see how you can characterize any of this as hate and personally if i were tal-n i would be quite offended. you may not agree with his opinion but it is clear that there is a serious internal issue with soe here which at its very best can be described as very poor customer relations. or is it that you feel the onerous requirements and the handcrafting of the unwanted pet meds was a sound decision to improve the in game experience for the profession?
Nobody can doubt BE is broken.
Nobody can doubt that there are about 300 issues (and i'm counting low) with the professions.
I wasn't trying to be insulting to Tal-N... I was pointing out some irony. Tal-N is on the Commando boards writing some very well thought out posts, and the long time commandos are trying to grill him... the reason they are doing it, is because they want their long time issues fixed.
To really put it bluntly, jsut about ALL of SWG is busted in 1 way or another... even the stuff thay appears to be working, is unbalanced.
Again, there is a big difference between. "Hey our profession is broken." and "Lets start a thread to demonize our Dev."
There are not that many devs, and with things as borked as they are, they can't do everything for everyone fast. BE was far less broken then Chef, but you had a scheduled fix before them? Is that right? If you had cloning in right now, would that be ok? What about chefs and DE's (who would ahve been passed by for that fix)? Who gets priority? Everyone always says "me!"
Honestly, cloning got delayed because of all the other systems that it touching on...has to be. It isn't an easy fix... probably got half done, before some other change sidetracked it, or made it have to be started over (I don't know).
But, all there is here are rants and flames at a guy (Keldarin) who busts his butt evey day to make the game better. I don't know him personally, but I know he reads these boards. He has to wade through all these hurtful things, why? Because the posters think it is the right thing to post. All the while he's trying to make the game better for you, and everyone else. He can't hold a grudge. He has to let it go. The same is true of TH, Holo, Greenmarine and the rest.
As for dumb threads. Everyone has them.. Hell, they are the majority everywhere.
Until all the bugs are fixed, we can't do any real meaningful wishlist stuff.. nobody... and there ar a lot of bugs.. hundereds... for jsut the professions alone.. and that doesn't includ balance. One of the correspondents the other day that if he saw one more Holocron grinder post that ignored the answers in the other 5 holocron grinders' posts on the front page, he was gonna go play WoW. My profession works and all I get is 'I have 26 points left, how should I spend them' threads.-T
"Honestly, cloning got delayed because of all the other systems that it touching on...has to be."
But not touching them enough they could turn one of our clones on for the CH's?
Sumorex wrote:"Honestly, cloning got delayed because of all the other systems that it touching on...has to be."
But not touching them enough they could turn one of our clones on for the CH's?
Yeah, I can't defend that at all.
I also can't back the idea of releasing mounts with broken BE cloning... But I think that was a publisher goal.
-T
Stoopid boards... didn't mean to post just that.
To continue where the board cut me.
The Bol got turned ON despite the new cloning system needing to be balanced with all these 'other systems'. Now, how much would would it have been to turn that on 4 months ago? How about all the other clones that would at least give us an option to offer in those CL ranges?
Heck, would be a bandaid they could throw on the gushing wound we have right now if they'd just turn on the broken clones (besides Kimo...that should have NEVER been in our cloning line). It would be something. The ease with which they turned on the Bol seems to suggest they could have turned all of our broken clones ages ago and with little effort.
But, nevermind, I'm supposed to be happy and shiny and all upbeat about it.
well, traigus you ARE right, and i agree with your points
but some people arent as patient - and i understand them too
when you try to leave your house 5 times, and warp back 5 times into that house (after doing a schematic for something)
then you try walking to your factory (300 m away) and escape the maulers outside your house
when you reach the factory you warp back right into the maulers and get killed - after 4km run back to your factory, you cannot acces it anymore and have to wait for the 1pm (for euro players) patch to get acces again....
its such "smaller" things that are realy frustrating - and kick good people over the edge
add the lack of information to that, especialy on timetables(or at least the place on the list), like ch changes ("what commands would you see as useful" 3 or 4 months ago - with no answer or comment until 1 or 2 weeks ago) or the BE changes now(kinda the same) and you got the angry mob screaming all over the board - there is a good side on that too, tho: it shows that the person(s) didnt give up the game yet - sad part is that they pull other peoples mood down with them
the game offers so much possible ways to go - but - thanks to the too early release - the devs have to fix and "balance" everything usualy done before the release AND have to work on new/more content
and learn the hard lesson to THINK about their changes before they do it (best example are chs again - degraded to a pure power-up profession for low skillpointcost for all wannbe I-AM-UBA people, while the RPGers and people that like the profession cant do alot at all without great costs)
i wish the devs good luck, its a very hard task to get that all running now
and no, its not 100% the devs fault, its the fault of the people pressing for release when the game isnt even half ready for it
sumotouched onwhat really has gotten under my skin as well. turning on the bol demonstrates what could have been done andprobably should have been done as a temporary measureuntil the creatures are revamped. the bol is certainly not overpowered as a pet and i doubt any including the blurrg would be preferred to a graul mauler. yet the the only reason given for the clones that were turned off is they were too overpowered. obviously untrue and its the effect that it has had on this class that really makes it appear malicious.
Tal-n was for the longest time the eternal optimist on the board and he has made many contributions. its rather suprising to see some of his posts lately but the frustration with the mismanagement of the class is getting very high. just by going over the material requirements for pet meds and tissues you could almost get the impression that the goal was to keep everyone so busy chasing resources they wouldnt have time to remember what the description of this class was - unfortunately the result only seems to be burning people out who try to make it work and poisoning their attitude while that carrot ofa new cloning systemcontinues to bedangled.
"Tal-n was for the longest time the eternal optimist on the board and he has made many contributions."
Yeah, can't overlook that Tal-N was, for a long long time, the upbeat voice of the forums... much like Traigus is trying to be. They finally disapointed him enough times for him to snap.... though I still think he posts alot of ideas worth considering.
No it isn't fun.
No I haven't been doing it nearly as long as any of you.
But I didn't make a post calling for the removal of a Dev.
That's the difference.
That's over the line... That's too much hate for a game.
No, thats desperation. I've tried being optimistic, I've tried being loud. I've tried being quiet. I've tried to present ideas. I've tried to be angry. And I'm not alone, I look around these forums and i have seen people approaching this situation from every point of view and none of it has gained us any more attention or any less. Nothing is working so I restored to only one last avenue and asked should we ask for a new designer.
I don't hate SOE or Keldarin, I've lost faith in them totally when it comes to our profession but I can never hate someone.
What we have here is a vicious circle. The game is broken so people are sad/frustrated/angery, they come onto the forum posting that they are sad/frustrated/angery. This then feeds back into the community which makes things worse in a never ending spiral of despair and frustration. Can we break the cycle? No, we cannot feel good about something that is bothering us, it's even worse when we're paying and still feeling this way. The blame and responsibility rests firmly on the shoulders of the developers.
You haven't been here much Trag, look back to 2 months ago. Many people were very optimistic so we were making the effort not to let things get to us, we still didn't have anyone talking to us. Now we're mainly all unhappy with things and we still don't have anyone talking to us. (meaning that the flow of information between the designer and the community is reasonably active, Tal is doing his best so he's not to blame)