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Thread: Buying meat: Are doctors killing the tissue suppliers?
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Joilhath
Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:29 am
#27
Well all I have to say is look at the Bria trade forums and see a Doctor offering 100cpu for Dath Avian meat at the same time Dath insect meat is the best it's been in ages.
Message Edited by Joilhath on 09-06-2004 05:32 PM
ArthurDentOnBria
Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:25 am
#28
The other problems with super-duper quality dath insect meat is that assuming you can pry a hunter away from killing Jantas long enough to hunt creatures, and assuming he's willing to kill spiders rather than birds, the BE still is going to lose out on this meat, because chefs are going to want this meat for "double buff" vercupti, and combat medics need it for disease & poisons, both of which people will pay far more for, then pet stims 
I'm hunting this stuff as best I can right now with my new gimped combat template (thanks for the vendor nerf SOE!) but I almost feel guilty using it in pet stims. What we really need is a spawn of dath insect meat that is like: OQ 900, PE 800, Flavor 900, DR 1
Joilhath wrote:
Well all I have to say is look at the Bria trade forums and see a Doctor offering 100cpu for Dath Avian meat at the same time Dath insect meat is the best it's been in ages.
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 09-07-2004 09:27 AM
Novock
Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:33 am
#29
LOL look at the Corabntis trade forums and you will see that doctors are offering 100 CPU for Yavin carnivore meat, thats right cranivore meat not avain and not even herbivore (though they are offering that for herbivore). Thats what 50k in meat alone per crate of BSNs..... lol it will all work out though prices will just have to come up. Sorry chefs.
ZeroK0ol
Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:17 pm
#30
Herbsman wrote:
Get the chefs to charge 2million for a crate of Bivoli, that'll teach those docs to mess with us.
LOL, as a doctor i found that amuzing, please please do this to us. that would be so funny. no sarcasm here either, I dont use bivoli coz i dont buff publicly, but dear god thats a great idea, lol.
Wouldnt mess with brandy or canape because that has a wider spectrum of clients, but bivoli is quite specific in clientel. LOL
Frogmorton76
Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:49 pm
#31
My take on it is that hunters are getting spoiled from Docs willing to pay 100+ cpu for meat. I play on Kettemoor (and I was Master Ranger before going BE), and as someone pointed out the Corellian Insect meat there right now is pretty good...but the only things that drop it are butterflies and dalydrakes...and I've never even been able to find a dalydrake. A butterfly drops what 6 - 10 meat per kill? At those rates as a hunter I'd demand to paid at the minimum 50 cpu, probably more. Hell, I actually wouldn't bother to hunt that considering the small amount of meat you'll harvest.
Now, lets take something like Endorian Carnivore meat. Even with stats that will only give me a +85 BSN I'd be willing to pay out 25cpu for that meat. Any dedicated hunter with hunting 4 and veg hash should be able to gather around 8 - 10K meat per buff. But most people see docs asking 50 or 100cpu for meat and think, hey, let me go hunt this Yavinian Avian meat for 100cpu...never mind it costs more to fly there, you're more than likely to get diseased from the chokus, and you'll only harvest what, 4K per buff? And thats dedicated hunting, using a droid, veg hash, and wasting as little time as possible going from spawn to spawn. Or even more likely the hunter asks me for 50+ cpu, which I'm not paying for meat that will only give me a +85 BSN.
I try and price my meats depending on the stats, but more importantly, the ease of which its harvested. Sure, go kill birds, the damn things usually drop next to nothing compared to most carnivores or wild meats. If you can harvest over 5K of a meat in one buff at 30 cpu thats good money. If they'd just removed the "solo mission" BS more people would hunt creature resources...I think if your in a group, and you kill the mission by yourself, the payout should still be split among the group. Solo grouping would die out real fast...but I digress.
I have no problem paying decent money for meat, and I usually try and only advertise buying meat thats relatively easy to get. But it's getting harder and harder to get anyone to hunt for less than 50cpu. Just wait till the combat rebalance comes out, there's going to be no way BE's will ever get the meat resources they require for factory runs of chef tissues....but that's a whole different mess. 
Frogmorton D'Argent
Master Bio-Engineer
Kettemoor, Bestine, Tatooine -643, -4247
Spazzers
Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:48 pm
#32
I'm lucky enough to have a guild that will hunt with me. They need the weapons xp for the village and I need the meat. I've even posted on my galaxy forum asking for a hunting party on a planet that spawns good meat. I can't fight but I can heal people. Everyone in the party gets paid by the missions and we all get meat to use or sell.
I'm not sure why people solo group missions if they are trying to sell resources. It makes sense if the individual is just trying to make a ton of money soloing high level missions which you can only get with a group. If your intent is to sell meat or hide then soloing is pretty silly. Everyone in the group gets to harvest the same animal so everyone gets to sell meat or hide or whatever.
On that note why in the world would a doctor pay 100cpu for a resource the hunter was already paid good money to harvest from the mission? Besides, most doctors I know can hunt on their own.The majorityof them have better combat skills than I do.
Are doctors killing the tissue suppliers? No. Theprice of meatis definitely slowing the tissue production down but tissues are still being produced. So chefs can't sell as much product as they have before. Life is a beach for everyone right now. We make due as best we can.
Message Edited by Spazzers on 09-09-2004 02:50 PM
SDNewton
Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:17 pm
#33
Hmm, first of all, who am i
I have always been a BE, not very active BE because i have had 2 accounts almost from release, but i like BE anyway so i kept Icaren ( my BE).. On a note, i am from Denmark, so try and ignore the gramma :/
I have started a Chef shop with a very good friend, it turned out to him to be not that intereseting so now im running it mostly on my own. Since he also have 2 accounts i can now do everything my self, ( i also share one last account with him, 50/50 payment so i actualy have acces to 5 ) . And with 5 accounts and a very friendly guild who let me borrow lots + alot of server lot trading, i have a harvester park at about 40 at my disposal, and 11 factorys. Anyway, this means i can do everything my self, but it have turned out i cant keep up with the hunting, so i have asked my guild to help me out. So they are harvesting 2100+ meat from the rancors at 10 cpu for me.
This means i earn alot, and well, i am not goana raise my prices because i make plenty with my 80k-90k pr brandy.
This is great for me.
But bad for the market, and since alot of other people are doing like me, those BEs who wants to buy everything gets a very, very low profit. Even if i should start paying 25-40 cpu for the average carnivore meat, i would still get a good end result because i get the full profit. This seems all logical. But the clever BE will now ask :
"How come the docs dont have good friends who harvest meat at 10cpu, and by that way creates competition to everyone who is paying 200cpu?"
Well , thats the tricky part. The thing is, Docs dont need cheap buff packs. This have been mentioned in this thread but i will go over it again
The docs dont compete on price, they compete on quality , and only quality, and with the low amounts of meat needed to make buff packs, they dont really bother paying crazy prices for some meat because the end effect on the buff pack price is limited, and having the best means alot of sale.
On the other hand, we as BEs, compete on selling nutrients at the lowest price, because the chef also compete on selling at the lowest price. People dont bother paying 10k-20k for a buff, but they sure do mind paying 120k instead of 100k for a crate of Brandy.
A solution to this problem?
Well, aparently the general server population dont bother paying those extra money for buffs, but as long as people like me exist, the market will remain in its current state. So will this ever change? Well some mentioned the end of buffs, i very much doubt that will do the trick, as i have come to understand, the buffs will only get nerfed, not removed, everyone will still need buffs, and more then ever, they will need the absolute BEST buffs. I think the solution is the combat rewamp, it will, hopefully mean that doing a 36k mission will be alot more of a match, so everyone will hopefully start harvesting again, to increae their earnings. And hopefully, this means that there will be enough meat for both us and the docs.
I have always been a BE, not very active BE because i have had 2 accounts almost from release, but i like BE anyway so i kept Icaren ( my BE).. On a note, i am from Denmark, so try and ignore the gramma :/
I have started a Chef shop with a very good friend, it turned out to him to be not that intereseting so now im running it mostly on my own. Since he also have 2 accounts i can now do everything my self, ( i also share one last account with him, 50/50 payment so i actualy have acces to 5 ) . And with 5 accounts and a very friendly guild who let me borrow lots + alot of server lot trading, i have a harvester park at about 40 at my disposal, and 11 factorys. Anyway, this means i can do everything my self, but it have turned out i cant keep up with the hunting, so i have asked my guild to help me out. So they are harvesting 2100+ meat from the rancors at 10 cpu for me.
This means i earn alot, and well, i am not goana raise my prices because i make plenty with my 80k-90k pr brandy.
This is great for me.
But bad for the market, and since alot of other people are doing like me, those BEs who wants to buy everything gets a very, very low profit. Even if i should start paying 25-40 cpu for the average carnivore meat, i would still get a good end result because i get the full profit. This seems all logical. But the clever BE will now ask :
"How come the docs dont have good friends who harvest meat at 10cpu, and by that way creates competition to everyone who is paying 200cpu?"
Well , thats the tricky part. The thing is, Docs dont need cheap buff packs. This have been mentioned in this thread but i will go over it again
The docs dont compete on price, they compete on quality , and only quality, and with the low amounts of meat needed to make buff packs, they dont really bother paying crazy prices for some meat because the end effect on the buff pack price is limited, and having the best means alot of sale.
On the other hand, we as BEs, compete on selling nutrients at the lowest price, because the chef also compete on selling at the lowest price. People dont bother paying 10k-20k for a buff, but they sure do mind paying 120k instead of 100k for a crate of Brandy.
A solution to this problem?
Well, aparently the general server population dont bother paying those extra money for buffs, but as long as people like me exist, the market will remain in its current state. So will this ever change? Well some mentioned the end of buffs, i very much doubt that will do the trick, as i have come to understand, the buffs will only get nerfed, not removed, everyone will still need buffs, and more then ever, they will need the absolute BEST buffs. I think the solution is the combat rewamp, it will, hopefully mean that doing a 36k mission will be alot more of a match, so everyone will hopefully start harvesting again, to increae their earnings. And hopefully, this means that there will be enough meat for both us and the docs.
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