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Thread: ranged attack
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Hylidex
Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:46 am
#14
Bonestein wrote:
What is the trick to get ranged attack to stick?
what needs to be experimented on to get it?
this is what I tried
MH MH
HP Bagaraset (has ranged)
MDH
I experimented 2 physic 1 mental
Message Edited by Bonestein on 12-30-2004 11:05 PM
In this combination, you wouldn't expect ranged, since you have HP in the mind slot. I don't think I have ever had ranged stick without ranged in the mind slot. If you are trying to kill the level, you might try multigenerational cloning. Otherwise, you might try switching your bageraset and HP or better yet, put BMBQ or some other nice ranged attacker in the mental slot.
Hylidex
Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:16 am
#15
Zadokk wrote:
EDIT: just realised its completely off topic, lol.
I think it is relevant to the intent of the original post, even though it doesn't fit the subject line. The goal is to get ranged attack to stick. HP in the mental slot, in the original post, looks like an attempt to kill the level. MH looks like an attempt to kill resistances(again to get the level down) except kinetic. So faced with the need to get the level down and to get good kinetic resistance, while still looking for ranged, alternative approaches seem to me to be on topic.
A post about what is or is not on topic, such as this one, on the other hand, seems completely irrelevant. 
NancyJ
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:01 am
#16
It may be possible to get that combo to work by using VHQ with ranged in slot psych and AA in mind.
There is correlation between different slots.
EG if you used VHQ in slot 1 & 3 and AA in 4 & 5 then you should get the specials from 1 & 3 instead of 4 & 5
There is correlation between different slots.
EG if you used VHQ in slot 1 & 3 and AA in 4 & 5 then you should get the specials from 1 & 3 instead of 4 & 5
PlainWhiteSocks
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:16 am
#17
Hylidex wrote:
Bonestein wrote:What is the trick to get ranged attack to stick?what needs to be experimented on to get it?this is what I triedMH MHHP Bagaraset (has ranged)MDHI experimented 2 physic 1 mentalMessage Edited by Bonestein on 12-30-2004 11:05 PM
In this combination, you wouldn't expect ranged, since you have HP in the mind slot. I don't think I have ever had ranged stick without ranged in the mind slot. If you are trying to kill the level, you might try multigenerational cloning. Otherwise, you might try switching your bageraset and HP or better yet, put BMBQ or some other nice ranged attacker in the mental slot.
Welp, the data I have doesn't exactly contradict your's, it is different though.
I make the old VD,NS recipe for lvl10 pets I sell like this....
VD
NS
NS
VD
NS
The only quality I really pay attention to is to stick VHD or High in the last slot to get the crippling strike and poison to show up. The funny thing is that about 50% of these turn up with ranged attack as well even if I use AA samples in psych. A long long time ago I did some playing with this recipe, and found that if I put vhq in psych I get a higher percetage of ranged attack something along the lines of 80%. I just wished I kept better notes back then.
On the flip side, I have had some success in getting ranged in skins that had only ranged in mental. A recent special order had ranged creeping in it with the only ranged DNA in the mental slot. Drove me nuts for about an hour.
ArthurDentOnBria
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:21 am
#18
I haven't made that many ranged pet, and most of my recipes call for the same dna in both mental and psych, but I've always been under the impression that to get ranged you just need a VHQ "ranged donor" sample in either mental or psych (or both) to get it. I don't have near enough data to confirm that though.
Llandros
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:33 am
#19
ive had ranged stick fomr three slots but the midn slot is b far the most likely to get it to stick, psych can stick but its ver rar,e aggressions cna also stick for ranged but its also rare nind sticks on most tries tohugh so if you need rnaged to stikc put it in the mind slot and it usually will
Hylidex
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:39 am
#20
Oooh. This sounds like another challenge for our experimentors. The parameters seem to be limited to the quality of DNA, presence or absence of ranged, and the slot. We all know from experience that mental is the dominant player, here. We also know from experience that the last two slots are dominant players in specials, which I think of in a similar manner as ranged.
I wonder if any of our number crunchers can come up with decent predictions of probabilities of getting ranged to come through. There have been times I have wanted to use BMBQ in mental WITHOUT ranged coming through, too, but I have never been successful at this. My actual data have a fairly small n though.
Anyone feel up to playing with this? I'll bet we all could help provide some numbers.
NancyJ
Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:51 am
#21
IIRC I actually started collecting samples for a big experiment like this on TC, but I got frustrated with my crappy sampling success 
Bonestein
Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:46 am
#22
I found out how to make the ranged stick. The ranged DNA needs to be higher or equal quality to the 5th slot:
MH MH
B B
MDH
B - bagaraset
experiement 2 points physic, and the creature comes out to a leve 28 with light armor,57% kinetic,strong poison, strong disease, and ranged attack,..
resample and combine again
MH MH
1st 1st
1st
experiment 1 point to physic for light armor, level 26 60% kinetic, strong poison, strong disease, and ranged attack. 10k 6k 3k ham or close to it
I guess I need to try the Correlian butterfly destroyer if the 3rd and 4th slot, to get the level down to 22 like I was trying.
KillerBeer
Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:14 am
#23
Anybody else having problems with dna that should have ranged attack?
LuCha
Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:30 pm
#25
Actually....
I was talking to a CH yesterday who just got a new pet (not from me) with a ranged attack (from old DNA) and they said that the ranged attack DID work on the pet.
They also said the pet had specials listed but they didn't know if the pet was actually using them or not.
The issue with this is the new DNA does not have specials or ranged attacks listed. So you can not make these types of pets with new DNA.
If you have any old DNA with a ranged attack, if you put it into the 3rd slot you will get a pet with a ranged attack. I tested this a bit, and it seems the quality of the DNA sample doesn't matter. (pre CU the quality of the DNA sample in slot 3 with the ranged attack had to be VHQ or at least better than the quality in slots 5 & 1)
I was talking to a CH yesterday who just got a new pet (not from me) with a ranged attack (from old DNA) and they said that the ranged attack DID work on the pet.
They also said the pet had specials listed but they didn't know if the pet was actually using them or not.
The issue with this is the new DNA does not have specials or ranged attacks listed. So you can not make these types of pets with new DNA.
If you have any old DNA with a ranged attack, if you put it into the 3rd slot you will get a pet with a ranged attack. I tested this a bit, and it seems the quality of the DNA sample doesn't matter. (pre CU the quality of the DNA sample in slot 3 with the ranged attack had to be VHQ or at least better than the quality in slots 5 & 1)
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