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Thread: When damaged lowered by 66%, HAM can increase by 300%.. that doesn't sound fair
I actually think your examples (in the"perfect 10" thread) are where we should be able to make sub10's, especially if it takes a bit of effort to actually do. Anything lower and about the only thing they are good for is house pets and people hunting Dwarf Nuna or Rills.
I actually sold a1.5k Health pet with 20% kin for 15k the other day.It was probably a decent post-fix pet, I felt like I was ripping the guy off, so I threw in some Pet Stims.While I feel 9% kin is a bit low (only by a tad though), at least I'd feel like I was selling someone a solid pet if it has around 3-4k health. Any lower and I have trouble actually selling the things to people (in a "good faith" way, not a "no one will buy them" way) cause I've actually been there, done that and know once they leave Tatooine the pet will be next toworthless.
But the main reason I said "Great, here we go again" is I'm kinda sick of the whole "Fix us/Nerf us" Vs the "**edit**, it's fine" arguing that flooded these pages for 2-3 weeks and feelthat some people might use this to start the whole thing off again 
I notice your on Ahazi, is there a good Tailor you can recommend?
Castillo wrote:
I stand corrected, my calculations were off by quite a bit!
Although your calcs were off (I NEVER make mistakes 
) I don't want people to lose sight of something you said earlier. There is a combat system revamp coming, and the creature/CH/BE changes were made with those in mind.
In addition there is a DE overhaul coming, so what they did also has to jive with that.
I don't think Tal'scritters are that far off. You still aren't going to get any PvP mileage out of them.
Patience.
Oh and Thanks Tal!
Tal-N wrote in the subject:
When damaged lowered by 66%, HAM can increase by 300%.. that doesn't sound fair
This seems perfectly balanced to me. Let's say you have a CL 10 pet that has 1500 HAM and hits for 100. Let's say this pet is an almost perfect match for a particular NPC creature wherethe petwill win most of the time with a little of its' HAM left. This means that the pet's HAM+ its dmg output allows it to solo this creature.
Now, if you decreasethe pet'sdmg by 66%, you've cut its'dps to 1/3rd of what it used to be. This means it will now take this pet 3 times as long to kill the same NPC. If this pet is to stay an even match for the NPC, it will need to last 3 times as long. This can be accomplished by tripling it's HAM, or increasing it's resistances to mitigate the attacker's DPS by 66%. It appears that the devs choseto balance HAM vs dps.
It seems that (dps * HAM) = X, where X is a constant. If dps dropsby1/2, HAM can go up 2x to balance the loss of damage. If this is indeed the case... get cracking and make me a 100k HAM pet with 1 dps. 
CANCELLED NOVEMBER 2, 2005 - SOE BURN IN HELL A dalyrake harvester at 3k with resist kinetic could block for me, but not for long against what I was hunting. Not even calling it out, I could kill much the same, pulling it out made it slightly safer, more irritating, and not a lick faster, by and large.
Using something like a cowardly gurreck pointed out, painfully, that HAM by itself did you no good (against most useful targets, its health would be eaten tremendously quickly, compared to, say, a mountain krevol with 2k health but that so-useful armor to magnify how long the health lasted.
So, a CL 10 pet by itself, with no damage output and nothing significant in the way of resists but having a couple thousand health, doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
Professions experienced in the above example: TK, Commando, marskman, pistoleer.
I agree.
I think a lot of BE's have tickets on themselves and think the creatures they make are "godlike", when in reality, they are only marginally better than "wild"...
Seshemw wrote:
From my experience in combat professions, non-CH pets (even before the nerf) weren't really worth using without significant resists (or armor) even if they HAD 3k health.
A dalyrake harvester at 3k with resist kinetic could block for me, but not for long against what I was hunting. Not even calling it out, I could kill much the same, pulling it out made it slightly safer, more irritating, and not a lick faster, by and large.
Using something like a cowardly gurreck pointed out, painfully, that HAM by itself did you no good (against most useful targets, its health would be eaten tremendously quickly, compared to, say, a mountain krevol with 2k health but that so-useful armor to magnify how long the health lasted.
So, a CL 10 pet by itself, with no damage output and nothing significant in the way of resists but having a couple thousand health, doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
Professions experienced in the above example: TK, Commando, marskman, pistoleer.