Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Are Chef Tissues still profitable on your server?
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Llandros
Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:39 am
#14
the recent carn meat spanw on dath on chimaera that was so good had the following stats btw
oq 989
pe 993
fla 318
dr 905
its usual selling price was 30cpu (adn this is what my stkac will go for if i cna be bothered to sell it 9im a ch on chimaera and very lazy aoubt selling my resources they tend to go in the bank and gather dust) somee poepl were managing to buy for less and some were paying more but 30cpu was pretty much a standard price for it
and as for the mian topic under discussion wnhe i finish my be grinding (i hate grinding so im doing at most an hour a day so gonna be a weke or 2) im only going to do tissues if i can get a fair price for them (by fair i mena my profit from selling the tissues means im making a minimum of 33% of the sale cost and im making as much as i woudl if i sodl the base resources
if chefs fele my prices are too high thne fine i wont bother making tissues for them my main focus is liable to be pets anyway (altohugh i do know a coupel chefs who ill be selling for less to (still be selling for profit though)
furrycat
Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:49 pm
#15
"Every post correcting spelling or grammar will contain at least one spelling or grammar error."
Or however the saying goes.
Or however the saying goes.
Paradisio
Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:49 pm
#16
Yes they are profitable on my server, but I don't have the resources to make them, so it doesn't matter.
Uncle_Albert
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 am
#18
Hi Lloyd 
I think your problem now is that most successful chefs on Chim have a BE alt, I do and also Solve/Shylla has, and I know afew others do aswell.
3 months ago though before I Had to level my alt as a BE, it was impossible to buy Additives and for this reason I think its nearly impulsery that any decent Chef needs there own BE for additives.
Every item of food we make uses an Additive, we cant afford to run out of them or spend days looking and waiting on a BE to make them, I use around 5 full runs of BSN's and 2-3 INNs a week now. If i had to rely on a BE to supply me it would be a nightmare, and would run out of them for days on end as I know how long they take to make and then for wouldnt have any food to sell.
But saying all that, if I did find a BE that was very reliable and supplied me Additves at a rate I use them, then I could have an alt that would be more fun to play (not saying BEs are not fun 
but just isnt my thing).
but just isnt my thing).
Subversive99
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:58 am
#19
For the record, I've had to start paying 20CPU for meat. 
Still making money on chef tissues though. Made 3000 tissues for a chef this week. 1 run of INN, 1 run of BSN, 1 run of MNS. Total profit is about1 million credits.
Still making money on chef tissues though. Made 3000 tissues for a chef this week. 1 run of INN, 1 run of BSN, 1 run of MNS. Total profit is about1 million credits.
Numen
Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:09 am
#20
All you need to do is ask yourself if you want to sell tissues or resources. As a BE/Chef I probably have a few hundred million in resources. None of that is because I'm a chef though. I could have gotten the same resources with survey 4 and a combat template.
I do not want to sell resources though, I want to sell things on my tissues vendor or food.
Yes it is a choice if you want to use certain resources. The resources I use for my current Bivoli would probably sell for more than what I sell bivoli for. But I didn't pay that much so I'm still making a profit. You can consider flora that you harvest yourself to be worth market value or 1cpu(average cost of harvesting IMO).
Architect is the same thing. Most prices on structures are below or at resource prices. When you consider ore is 30+% harder to mine than other minerals and arch could probably make more selling resources than selling structures. But as you can see credits isn't the only driving force for people. Credits lost their value to me a long time ago and that is why I would rather stick 5k market value worth of resoures into something I sell for 3k than sell the resources.
Taalar
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:17 pm
#21
Subversive99 wrote:
I have NEVER had to pay more than 15CPU for meat. In fact, most Rangers I have contacted on Flurry seem more than happy to hunt for 10CPU for meat. I made a deal with a ranger for some 2100+ oq+pe+fl meat last night for 12.5 CPU for a stack of 15k. Thank god I don't live on one of these servers where meat is 50CPU. I don't think I could bring myself to pay it.
Usually find flora for 5CPU or less. I have no points for artisan, so I don't harvest my own.
10? I hate you. Rangers cuss me out when I go below 50.
P.S. I completely agree with Llyod on this, I only make food additives in the highly unlikely event that I have much more good meat than I can use atm.
Message Edited by Taalar on 10-11-2004 03:18 AM
LloydPickering
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:52 pm
#22
Uncle_Albert wrote:
I use around 5 full runs of BSN's and 2-3 INNs a week now. If i had to rely on a BE to supply me it would be a nightmare, and would run out of them for days on end as I know how long they take to make and then for wouldnt have any food to sell.
If your interested in an easy week, I have a load of runs on my Naboovendor atm.
I believe its something like 4x87(1.6m), 2x86(1.5m), 1x85(1.4m) and 2x+117(1.8m?), 1x+115(1.6m?)
I havea load ofresources to make more though. Basically stopped making any till these do or don't shift.
Also, if money isn't really an issue, then I reckon I could supply u with 5 BSN and 3 INN a week if I buy in resources. Obviously from my point of view I'd prefer to harvest myself, but have no objection to doing this.
Prior to what I reckon is the bottom falling out the market, I was making those sort of quantities anyway.
Lloyd Pickering
Master Bio-Engineer
Chimaera
6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo
236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia
LloydPickering
Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:49 pm
#23
I was a litlte optimistic about what I have in stock, but still have a fair amount.Just lost some due to leaving in stockroom for too long 
Current Stock on Naboo:
High Qual Vendor:
3x +87 BSN, 1.6m
1x +117 INN, 2.0m
Med Qual Vendor:
2x +86 BSN, 1.5m
1x +85 BSN, 1.4m
(31x SingleCrate (Mainly Same Serial) +86 BSN - 40k)
(17x SingleCrate - Same Serials +115 INNs - 45k)
(8x SingleCrate +56 MSN - 30k)
Low Qual Vendor
Assorted Crates, mainly +83BSN for 25k and (36x +52 MSN Crates 720k)
This should keep u going for about a week, by your reckoning, and I got loads more resources.
BTW, Not that I want to give the impression that I'm trying flog my goods on the BE forum, but it isn't really necessary for galaxy trade when it's BE - BE. (That's what I'm claiming anyway - Why advertise Chef tissues on BE forum )
)Lloyd Pickering
Master Bio-Engineer
Chimaera
6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo
236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia
Meplorium
Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:42 pm
#24
Even though I can make my own, I would happially pay 1.25m for 1k of 87s.
I can still find meat well enough on the bazaar and peoples vendors for around 10cpu and I harvest my own flora. So I pay about 300k for the 1kadditives out of pocket. I could sell those resources for 1.2m though, which is why I would be happy to buy additives at that cost.I am a chef too, so I don't actually sell the addivitives in their raw form.I will point out that is 83-85 though. I don't buy the high end meat,I can'tafford that and my customersaren't interested inpaying those carried over costs for a few more points. So getting caught up in the highend market needlessly isn't a good think in my opinion.
Also my top seller is ahrisa, not brandy, and I sell ahrisa for 80k a crate. That is about 3.1 mil. My feeling is you take the cost of the resources/components and double the cost to cover labor, factories, vendors, ect. You always come out ahead that way. At 1.6m I can't do this, so I would advoid those additives. At 1.25 mil I can still get this doubling.
I would suggest trying to find chefs that realize you don't need high number additives to make great food. You can then provide them with necessary components thatare a price point that makes you bothhappy.
As for that tailor tissues, there is an armor bug that allows people to wear just boots, chests, helmet and gloves. That means people can use pants and be covered for PvE needs. So the demand for BE tissues has nearly doubled lately.
Spazzers
Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:41 am
#25
I'm in a guild that has a few aspiring jedi. They go out and kill things for combat xp. In the process of this mind numbing SOE grind, these peopleend up with a ton of resources.
In that light my meat resources cost me nothing. The original question is "are chef tissues still profitable on your server?"Yes, chef tissues are very profitable using my business model. Is the meat resource worth more as a raw comodity? Possibly, but I'm not a resourcer. I'm a bio-engineer.
If the original question read "why make tissues when the meat is worth more as a raw comodity?" I might have answered differently.
ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:36 am
#26
I just recently decided to get out of the additive market completely. It was difficult to break that to some people who have bought from me for a while, but it was not a hard decision. Its real simple. Meat (Dath carnivore meat in particular)that is good enough to give you +86/+87 BSN is worth 40cpu at a minimum on Bria once it is out-of-spawn (20 cpu during the spawn). That value is mainly determined by what chefs making bivoli are willing to pay for it. For the most part, they set the market and we must bid against them. So that means that the value of the meat alone accounts for 20k/crate of BSN. On pretty much any given week you can go to the Bria galaxy trade board and find BSN of that quality being sold for 25k/crate or less (occasionally under 20k/crate). That means that at 25k/crate I'd have to value my super-duper flora at only 3.3 cpu just to recover the value of materials when selling a crate of BSN, and obviously that flora is worth a lot more than that (I'd have no trouble selling it for 6cpu out-of-spawn). Plus there is really no sense in selling things at "value of materials". If my BE mastery doesn't add any value to the meterials I use, then I truly am useless.
Why has this happened? Well, the most prolific chefs have BE alts, and those that don't get schematics from those that do. Therefore, it's easy enough for them to use all the materials that they are already collecting to do tissues. And since theyvalue their food/drink at40cpu-80cpu, it is very easy to factor in 40cpu for meat and still make an enormous profit (since for most food/drink, meat accounts for a very very small percentage of the overall product, even when considering the additive).
I'll be watching the market closely to see if it "corrects", and if it does, I'll be back in. If not, no biggie, with all the new clothing coming out, I believe there will be a nice revival of BE tissue sales, to say nothing of clothing sales. Also, with the big merchant nerf they made it virtually impossible to be a BE/tailor without a second account, so that is going to work in BE's favor in the coming months.
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 10-13-2004 09:55 AM
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