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Thread: Are Chef Tissues still profitable on your server?

LloydPickering
Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:51 pm
#1

I understand that servers have different economics, but just how profitable are Chef tissues nowadays?


On Chimaera, I'd say standard server prices for meat are 35cpu and for flora 10cpu. (Some really decent stuff can goas high as 45cpu/15cpu).


Whilst it is possible to get these resources for cheaper, for example by harvesting my own meat, is it worth it? If I could sell the resources for more in their raw form, why bother decreasing their value?


Using 20k meat x 35cpu+ 60k flora x 10cpu = 700k + 600k = 1.3m


I have seen a load of new BE's popping upover the past week or so,and prices have been droppping fast.


I used to sell +87s for 1.8m, then I dropped to 1.6m.


Just today I saw +87's for 1.25m.


Has the world gone mad? they would make MORE money selling the raw resources.


I have not made a single run of Chef tissues in about a week and a half, and have not shifted ANY Chef tissues off my vendors for about 2 weeks. (about 10-15m worth I reckon in runs of +85-87BSN and+115-117INNs)


I am still, however highly profitable. In fact more so than before. Tailors have been contacting me left right and centre for tissues. I' seem to get orders for 300 tissues every day almost. 2 days ago I got an order from a good customer who asked for5 types of tissuex 300 each. For someone who only dabbled in Tailor Tissues before, thats immense. I've had to send out rangers especially to harvest stuff where normally the odd 1k off the bazaar would do.


I'm not complaining about my money, as I am more profitable, however I have about 20-30m in resources, maybe more,just sitting in my house for Chef tissues.


I am worried that the amount of cash I have is very low, as I need to go out and buy stuff I don't have, while I have so much sitting there...waiting...


I've been considering cashing it all in for money, but I just can't give up my precious resources!


Takingthe most conservative, 20m in resources and 10m on vendor, thats 30mill credits tied up in assets.




Lloyd Pickering


Master Bio-Engineer


Chimaera


6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo


236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia




Everquest2 - Splitpaw: Sesskia <United Kingdoms> - Merccia - Tercia - Kasshia
Star Wars Galaxies - Chimaera: Zoxara (Sleeping) - Lloyd (Sleeping) - Buttercup (Cancelled) - Nublet (Cancelled)
droid327
Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:20 pm
#2

Your meat prices are VERY generous- I'd say most servers are looking at 50 cpu min for anything worth hunting - over 100 or 150 if its something good for docs, too. You shouldnt be paying for flora, especially at 10 cpu. 3 cpu is the most ANY harvestable resource should go for, especially since our floral needs are so non-specific. Still, 50 cpu is about the most you can pay, since thats 1M for a full run's worth, and still make any reasonable profit. I'd say anywhere from 1.3-1.8M for BSNs in the 87 and up range is a fair price. 1.3 to 1.5 maybe for 86's, if the chefs are desperate enough =) The guy selling for 1.25 probly has guild connections to lower his meat overhead.



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LloydPickering
Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:55 pm
#3

I appreciate what you say about flora being 3 cpu max, however recent auctions on the Chimaera trade have gone for a lot more than that. In particular one resource, Tat fungus called Sefo, has been selling for 15 cpu. I've paid upto 10cpu for this.


Even if Iget resources for 3cpu, I'd be better off selling them for 10cpu.


Same with meat. (Our penultimate Dath Carn meat was a REALLY good spawn, and the MAX I saw that go for was 45, I was paying 20.)


Turningresources into BSNs DECREASES their potential value. I ended up selling 200k of that Dath meat because I could get more money from the resource, than the resultant BSNs.


Isn't this a bit scary? On my server, Chef Tissues have reached the point that they decrease the potential value of the resources.




Lloyd Pickering


Master Bio-Engineer


Chimaera


6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo


236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia




Everquest2 - Splitpaw: Sesskia <United Kingdoms> - Merccia - Tercia - Kasshia
Star Wars Galaxies - Chimaera: Zoxara (Sleeping) - Lloyd (Sleeping) - Buttercup (Cancelled) - Nublet (Cancelled)
Kevie
Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:55 pm
#4

no.





droid327 wrote:

Your meat prices are VERY generous- I'd say most servers are looking at 50 cpu min for anything worth hunting - over 100 or 150 if its something good for docs, too. You shouldnt be paying for flora, especially at 10 cpu. 3 cpu is the most ANY harvestable resource should go for, especially since our floral needs are so non-specific. Still, 50 cpu is about the most you can pay, since thats 1M for a full run's worth, and still make any reasonable profit. I'd say anywhere from 1.3-1.8M for BSNs in the 87 and up range is a fair price. 1.3 to 1.5 maybe for 86's, if the chefs are desperate enough =) The guy selling for 1.25 probly has guild connections to lower his meat overhead.






that about nails it





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LloydPickering
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:08 pm
#5






Kevie wrote:

no.





droid327 wrote:

Your meat prices are VERY generous- I'd say most servers are looking at 50 cpu min for anything worth hunting - over 100 or 150 if its something good for docs, too. You shouldnt be paying for flora, especially at 10 cpu. 3 cpu is the most ANY harvestable resource should go for, especially since our floral needs are so non-specific. Still, 50 cpu is about the most you can pay, since thats 1M for a full run's worth, and still make any reasonable profit. I'd say anywhere from 1.3-1.8M for BSNs in the 87 and up range is a fair price. 1.3 to 1.5 maybe for 86's, if the chefs are desperate enough =) The guy selling for 1.25 probly has guild connections to lower his meat overhead.






that about nails it








Hehe.


I'm not sureu guysare seeing my point here. I'm not on about the BSNs, I'm on about thevalue ofthe raw resources not the cost. I get meat and Flora for less than server prices, but I could then resell themat server prices.


For example, let's considersmugglers and slicing. a smuggler can get 10k per slice at say 2mins per slice. thats 300k an hour. A TKM or other master combat profession can make >1mill in the same time on Dantooine doing Shamen missions. In this case if we have a char who is Smuggler/TKM, he would be better off financially killing Shamens for an hour, rather than slicing for an hour.


As a BE who can obtain resources at lower than server prices, I am better off financially selling my resources than turningthem intoChef Tissues. Higher Profit margin.


Normally something is worth more than than it's components. In this case it isn't.



Lloyd Pickering


Master Bio-Engineer


Chimaera


6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo


236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia




Everquest2 - Splitpaw: Sesskia <United Kingdoms> - Merccia - Tercia - Kasshia
Star Wars Galaxies - Chimaera: Zoxara (Sleeping) - Lloyd (Sleeping) - Buttercup (Cancelled) - Nublet (Cancelled)
droid327
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:11 pm
#6






LloydPickering wrote:

I appreciate what you say about flora being 3 cpu max, however recent auctions on the Chimaera trade have gone for a lot more than that. In particular one resource, Tat fungus called Sefo, has been selling for 15 cpu. I've paid upto 10cpu for this.


Even if Iget resources for 3cpu, I'd be better off selling them for 10cpu.


Same with meat. (Our penultimate Dath Carn meat was a REALLY good spawn, and the MAX I saw that go for was 45, I was paying 20.)






Paying 15 cpu for an out-of-shift resource is OK if you're a chef; your schematics will call for more specific things like Tatooine Fungi, so it makes sense your stocking up on it.BEs just require any flora; the odds that there's something decent in shift mean you can go plop down 6 harvesters on the location and harvest 100k lots for .5 cpu (I think thats what the cost in power and maintenance was averaged out as). Why would you pay 20-30x that for something that anyone with basic artisan can find (which you have to have to have a vendor anyway), and anyone that knows where it is can harvest while they're not even in the game? =)


And enjoy low cost meat while it lasts. Wait till your best meat in shift is Dathomir Avian meat, like it was on Corbantis a few months back. Docs will be scrambling over one another trying to offer the best bid, since they can turn like 35 units into a 30 use buff pack that will net them 60,000 credits. We turn 20 units into a tissue that nets us maybe 2k credits tops. Thats 1700 CPU gross income for theirmeat, 100 CPU gross income for ours. You just cant compete with docsfor profitability, they'll beat your bids on meat every time and whistle while they're doing it.




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droid327
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:18 pm
#7

heh posted while you were posting....if you can make more money as a resource reseller than a product manufacturer, than great! go for it =) Just saying, from what you say, your server's economy is more the exception than the rule. I sell my BSNs for about 1250-1500 per tissue, depending on how many chefs have been scratching at my vendor while its in the factory lol. Since I harvest my own wood and organic, just call it 1 cpu price for the cost of harvesting, shuttling, power for the factory run, etc etc. Buying meat at 50 CPU, thats 50*20+35+25=1060 cost per tissue, so up to 440 pure profit per tissue. If you were buying your meat at, as you said I believe, 45 CPU, and you could get the usual 50 cpu min for it, and selling your flora at 10, then for that same amount you'd make 5*20+35*10+25*10=700, which is definitely a better profit. However, if I tried to sell my resources on my server, I'd make 0*20+35*3+25*3=180, assuming I couldnt find a better price for the meat I bought at 50 cpu (which i couldnt - if I could, the hunters would have sold it to them in the first place heh) and that I would get 3 cpu for my florals, which is actually a pretty good price if you're selling it.


So milk that meat market money machine for all its worth=)



Jekk Badlander
Lowca
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LloydPickering
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:21 pm
#8

U still aren't getting it.


I harvest my own flora.


I harvest a lot of meat, and my guild gets a lot too


I only buy when I need to, and never at server prices.


Thing is, this thread isn't about buying resources, it's about selling resources, in particular it's about the VALUE of resources not the PRICE.


My flora costs 0.5cpu to harvest, but in about 2 months time, itwill likelybe worth 10 or 15cpu for a Chef.


So why don't I wait and sell it for 10-15cpu? I'll make more profit than if I use it in a Tissue and get the equivalent of 3cpu for it.


Why settle for 3cpu when I can sell for 10-15?


(Obviously there is a risk involved in holding on to stuff, but I see trade forum threads every day asking for stuff that has gone out for spawn just 2-3 days before.)



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LloydPickering
Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:23 pm
#9

Damn. I got the same, post while posting thing...



Lloyd Pickering


Master Bio-Engineer


Chimaera


6276, 1923 Sapphire Lake, Naboo


236, -5619 Coronet, Corellia




Everquest2 - Splitpaw: Sesskia <United Kingdoms> - Merccia - Tercia - Kasshia
Star Wars Galaxies - Chimaera: Zoxara (Sleeping) - Lloyd (Sleeping) - Buttercup (Cancelled) - Nublet (Cancelled)
mozter2112
Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:46 pm
#10

i guess i don't get your point either...are you asking which would be a better option, or are you just pointing out that it's stupid that we could make more money off our resources than we can off what we can make with those resources?


i guess either way, it doesn't matter, because it is what it is. it's just a matter of whether you want to be a bioengineer or a resource merchant.



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Zadokk
Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:46 am
#11

Looks like I got out while I was ahead. Sorry to see this Lloyd but there really isn't much you can do apart from raise prices yourself. Talk to your chefs and tell them the situation and that you might have to raise prices by an extra 3-5k per crate else it might put you out of business (then no additives for anyone).
Subversive99
Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:58 am
#12

I have NEVER had to pay more than 15CPU for meat. In fact, most Rangers I have contacted on Flurry seem more than happy to hunt for 10CPU for meat. I made a deal with a ranger for some 2100+ oq+pe+fl meat last night for 12.5 CPU for a stack of 15k. Thank god I don't live on one of these servers where meat is 50CPU. I don't think I could bring myself to pay it.


Usually find flora for 5CPU or less. I have no points for artisan, so I don't harvest my own.



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Seiryuu
Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:06 am
#13

Lloyd, I understand your point.

If you only want money, then just sell the resources.

If you want to be a BE, then do not worry that you get more money selling resources than making a tissue as long as you can profit.

Does it make sense? Not really. Selling tissues has never made sense when you look at what chefs were willing to pay versus how much profit they got, and only when using BE tissues. The market is one giant psychological experiment and while fun to watch, often runs counter to logic.



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