Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Had yet another Chef telling me that 25K is 'a fair price' for crated BSNs...
CresenKitty
Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:50 pm
#14
I have to say I have not ever had any problems with my prices and chef. The only problem I had with any tissues came from a tailor (she became a regular customer though). I sell decent BSNs at 25k per crate and they sell as soon as I put them up. I even have several chefs asking to be notified when a new shipment is put up.
Kinda on the same note. I moved my vendor about 2 months ago. Yesterday while I was crating some tissues, I had an old customer ask me if I had relocated since he could not find my shop. I charge what I think is fair on my server and I don't bother with the hassel of special orders since I play my BE maybe once a week. I still have a loyal customer base even after moving from Tat to Dant. 
PurpleWarrior
Sun Jul 11, 2004 4:40 pm
#15
Okin_Sin wrote:
I just don't understand why a community would have a differnt thread every day to complain about chef's, it shows very little class. Remeber that SOE did this to boost BE's, trust me when I say no chef wanted to have to rely on you.
Class? Hmmm... as if anything about posting on GAME forums shows any kind of 'class'...
Chefs don't have to rely on me, personally, because I now refuse to work for them, or provide them with chef tissues owing to incidents like the one I started this thread with. The complaints are valid, your response isrisible.
I'll make a personal note that you're a Troll then I won't make the mistake of taking any of your future opinions seriously.
Have a REALLY nice day now, won't you? Thanks.
Shelby21
Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:14 pm
#16
Wow, Bria's economy really is messed up.. hehe, I sell them for 10/15/25k..
CiN-Crisis
Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:15 pm
#17
I especially like the part "Think of it as being a Chef starting out", do chefs take into consideration BEs just starting out? I just made MBE the other day and have made my money selling pets and furniture creatures, but that provides minimal income. So I get a tell from a chef wanting mediums and lights, after some discussion we get to price, now I'm new so pricing I'm totally lost on it. I take into account current resource costs and give him just above cost, so 30k/crate for mediums and 20k/crate for lights. Whether or not these are too high/low I was unsure but I wanted to give this guy a good price while still making a small bit of money (and I mean small). A mintue later I get a response saying 'I can get those for 150 credits per item, you're asking 800.... i don't think so'. Of course I told him to go with the guy who offers for 150 and ended it there, so you say 'think of a chef starting out' what about the new BE? I had to hit master just to make decent things and my only market for additives is chefs, meanwhile they have the whole playerbaseand they basically want these things at or below cost to increase their profit margin. To top it off I got a tell not 10 min later asking for BSN's at 20k/crate! Personally this soured my whole view of chefs and has made me question my choice to become a BE...
JayceMilam
Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:37 pm
#18
wouldn't it be cool if we could get all the BE's to bocott Nutrient additves for a week? Then start back up at a decent price. Wouldn't work though, some wouldn't go along. There are always those who cross the picket line in a strike this would be no different. Besides there are those chefs who have BE also and they would be helped bu this anyway ... they could raise their prices due to the others who had to do without. Nice thought though.
P__Day
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:32 pm
#19
Okin whether you like it or not this is a multiplayer game and is supposed to have interdependancies(or however its spelled) I dont like having to buy WUK's and AUK's from a WS or AS for my smuggler. I dont like having to buy weapons or armor when i know i could make it alot cheaper. I dont like paying 12k for a set of temp ham buffs that cost a doc about 10% of what he makes on them. While in this stream of thought i dont really like having to rely on hunters to get me the meat for my master BE i know i could get it cheaper and in alot bigger quantities if i had my combat toon on the same server for 1 buff session. I dont really like having to pay some over paid, under mannered, 13 year old who's parents neglected to inform that this world and everyone in it is not here for his or hers pleasure 150k pr crate for brandy where at 100k you make to quote a chef friend of mine "one hell of a profit", i loathe having to pay an ID 20k for a simple stat migration, but most of them are nice people so it takes the sting out of it. Cant say im a huge fan of having to buy my stim B's when i go sampling. or the backpacks to collect DNA in or my droid, but i didnt invest the SP to master Chef, WS, AS, Doc, ID or tailor therefore i must accept that the people who invested those skillpoints have a right to charge me for using the skills they have for my own benefit. After all i cant expect a carpenter or plumber to come a fix my house without paying them. But since having to "play with others" isnt really something you like there is this great game out now its called KOTOR its exactly like this one, lots of jedi running around, you can even be one, you dont need brandy, buffs or such, you just use a cheatcode. And best off all you never have to see another player.
Now i can agree that the "daily talk trash on chefs" tread can get old, but if you look at the original poster's post it was infact the chef who behaved badly not the BE.
Finally i have a2 questions for you :
1. If i get the resources will you make me a 1000 use schem for 400+ brandy i feel 30k is a more than fair price for this, after all it doesnt cost you anything.
2. I think that A fair price for BE brandy is around 80k pr crate, how about i buy it from you at that price?
Message Edited by P__Day on 07-11-2004 08:47 PM
Cliffy
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:17 pm
#20
Very easy solution for SOE - fix the meat prices thats where all the problems are from
in other words, they need to raise the amount harvested per creature
I dont even bother...deal in CH pets only but dont need the money either at this point so just doing for fun
in other words, they need to raise the amount harvested per creature
I dont even bother...deal in CH pets only but dont need the money either at this point so just doing for fun
Joilhath
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:35 pm
#21
Would be nice but there will always be people selling at 10/15/25k or close to it on Bria it seems. Chef Tissues on Bria are just not worth the effort anymore.
JayceMilam wrote:
wouldn't it be cool if we could get all the BE's to bocott Nutrient additves for a week? Then start back up at a decent price. Wouldn't work though, some wouldn't go along. There are always those who cross the picket line in a strike this would be no different. Besides there are those chefs who have BE also and they would be helped bu this anyway ... they could raise their prices due to the others who had to do without. Nice thought though.
ArthurDentOnBria
Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:06 pm
#22
I've heard a lot of people say that, but I fail to see how that would help (us), seems to me like all it would do is explode the supply of additves so that instead of each of us having 100 crates sitting with cobwebs on our vendors we could now have 500, lol.
Cliffy wrote:
Very easy solution for SOE - fix the meat prices thats where all the problems are from
in other words, they need to raise the amount harvested per creature
I dont even bother...deal in CH pets only but dont need the money either at this point so just doing for fun
Dsabre
Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:18 am
#23
well with all this pricing stuff flaring up again...I can't help but notice the same things being brought up over and over again...
1) only using vasarian brandy as a benchmark for how "greedy" chefs all are.
2) taking the actions of a few chefs (maybe more...but the bulk of the really bad stories are about 1 or 2 chefs) and applying it to the whole chef community.
granted there are some really greedy and exceedingly rude or uninformed chefs...but to apply this in a generalized statement like: "The objection to the situation with chefs is that they are cashing in on OUR hard work." not all chefs are like this...but due to some rather bad experiences with a few BE's (BE vendors in particular) early on in the chef revamp it is likely that the other spectrum of chefs (the nicer/more reasonable ones) decided it just wasn't worth it to look for stocked BE shops, and picked up BE themselves, or found a partner they work with rather than searching through empty vendors (not all servers are like bria where there is an abundance of BE shops with quality chef tissues stocked). BE's have some rather bad stories about chefs currently...but what most BE's are going to have to accept is this:
chefs do make more than just brandy, instead of constantly mulling over "but they make soooo much on brandy", perhaps look at the profit margins on some of the less popular items...perhaps veghash, or citrus snow cake...or bivoli tempari...profit margin doesn't seem so good anymore (this isn't necessarily true for all chef shops/servers...but in general brandy is in its own class in terms of profits...hardly anything else even comes close)
from a BE perspective chefs can be divided into 2 main groups...chefs and chef/BE
of these 2 groups...forget about selling to the chef/BE...for obvious reasons
the remaining chefs can be divided further into 4 groups....partnered chefs, noob chefs, profit chefs, and for lack of a better way of naming it...solo chefs.
a partnered chef already has a BE that they work with on a regular basis...wether it be a PA mate, or merely a buisiness partnership...prices are fixed, supply from the BE to the chef is fairly steady, and typically BE and chef live/work in close proximity (no one likes to carry 40+ crates from planet to planet). this market is not really open to BE's that choose to stock a shop...as these chefs will not likely visit shops...ever, perfering instead to deal with their partner for all of their needs.
a noob chef is just that...new at being a chef, they will ask all of the dumb annoying questions...feel you are ripping them off, and haggle like crazy...this may not be because they are greedy...they may simply not know any better...not everyone reads the forums, and they may have no idea as to what it takes to make a BSN. if you treat them badly while they are in this state...they are not very likely to be open to future dealings with you, and are more likely to turn into a BE/chef when they actually get a better handle on things.
profit chefs...well they're just out to make a quick buck...in all likelyhoods they have a jedi alt and need the creds to buy their armor/crystals/pearls...can't really fault them all that much...as having a jedi is very very expensive and well chef/armorsmith/weaponsmith/resource seller are essentially their best 4 options for making some quick creds...or a steady supply of creds. selling to these people can be a pain...they know what a fair price is...but won't ever want to pay it...they want to pay as little as possible, and charge as much as possible (can't blame some of em too much...with krayt pearls running well over 1 mil each and quality being...well not too good on average)
then there are the solo chefs...the ones who scour the galaxy looking for good deals from stocked vendors...they will naturally gravitate towards the lower prices...and well can you really blame them for doing so? this is the primary BE target for selling from a vendor...and well the lower the price compared to your competition...the higher the number of sales. this is no different from any other profession, and there is no easy/permanent solution.
essentially the concept of the BE vendor may be faulty for chef tissues...you're basically trying to target the part of the chef community that in general wants to pay the least amount it can for what you make.
in general it also works out much better for BE's who find a chef to get into a long term buisiness agreement with. this is mainly due to the part of the chef community you deal with by exploring this option...this part of the community is more concerned with convenience (no hauling 40+ crates from planet to planet), and reliable supply (no crafter likes to be forced to wait for someone else).
1) only using vasarian brandy as a benchmark for how "greedy" chefs all are.
2) taking the actions of a few chefs (maybe more...but the bulk of the really bad stories are about 1 or 2 chefs) and applying it to the whole chef community.
granted there are some really greedy and exceedingly rude or uninformed chefs...but to apply this in a generalized statement like: "The objection to the situation with chefs is that they are cashing in on OUR hard work." not all chefs are like this...but due to some rather bad experiences with a few BE's (BE vendors in particular) early on in the chef revamp it is likely that the other spectrum of chefs (the nicer/more reasonable ones) decided it just wasn't worth it to look for stocked BE shops, and picked up BE themselves, or found a partner they work with rather than searching through empty vendors (not all servers are like bria where there is an abundance of BE shops with quality chef tissues stocked). BE's have some rather bad stories about chefs currently...but what most BE's are going to have to accept is this:
chefs do make more than just brandy, instead of constantly mulling over "but they make soooo much on brandy", perhaps look at the profit margins on some of the less popular items...perhaps veghash, or citrus snow cake...or bivoli tempari...profit margin doesn't seem so good anymore (this isn't necessarily true for all chef shops/servers...but in general brandy is in its own class in terms of profits...hardly anything else even comes close)
from a BE perspective chefs can be divided into 2 main groups...chefs and chef/BE
of these 2 groups...forget about selling to the chef/BE...for obvious reasons
the remaining chefs can be divided further into 4 groups....partnered chefs, noob chefs, profit chefs, and for lack of a better way of naming it...solo chefs.
a partnered chef already has a BE that they work with on a regular basis...wether it be a PA mate, or merely a buisiness partnership...prices are fixed, supply from the BE to the chef is fairly steady, and typically BE and chef live/work in close proximity (no one likes to carry 40+ crates from planet to planet). this market is not really open to BE's that choose to stock a shop...as these chefs will not likely visit shops...ever, perfering instead to deal with their partner for all of their needs.
a noob chef is just that...new at being a chef, they will ask all of the dumb annoying questions...feel you are ripping them off, and haggle like crazy...this may not be because they are greedy...they may simply not know any better...not everyone reads the forums, and they may have no idea as to what it takes to make a BSN. if you treat them badly while they are in this state...they are not very likely to be open to future dealings with you, and are more likely to turn into a BE/chef when they actually get a better handle on things.
profit chefs...well they're just out to make a quick buck...in all likelyhoods they have a jedi alt and need the creds to buy their armor/crystals/pearls...can't really fault them all that much...as having a jedi is very very expensive and well chef/armorsmith/weaponsmith/resource seller are essentially their best 4 options for making some quick creds...or a steady supply of creds. selling to these people can be a pain...they know what a fair price is...but won't ever want to pay it...they want to pay as little as possible, and charge as much as possible (can't blame some of em too much...with krayt pearls running well over 1 mil each and quality being...well not too good on average)
then there are the solo chefs...the ones who scour the galaxy looking for good deals from stocked vendors...they will naturally gravitate towards the lower prices...and well can you really blame them for doing so? this is the primary BE target for selling from a vendor...and well the lower the price compared to your competition...the higher the number of sales. this is no different from any other profession, and there is no easy/permanent solution.
essentially the concept of the BE vendor may be faulty for chef tissues...you're basically trying to target the part of the chef community that in general wants to pay the least amount it can for what you make.
in general it also works out much better for BE's who find a chef to get into a long term buisiness agreement with. this is mainly due to the part of the chef community you deal with by exploring this option...this part of the community is more concerned with convenience (no hauling 40+ crates from planet to planet), and reliable supply (no crafter likes to be forced to wait for someone else).
Aleskander
Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:20 am
#24
I did BE as a holo profession to start with. Now that the holo grind is over (yes I got lucky and unloced), I'm taking my main back to BE. As much as I hate crafting, I enjoyed being good at making BE tissues for my friends.
I never really turned a profit. I had 1 regular customer a guildie friend. He never paid for most of the stuff I gave him. That was ok, we go back to the first days of the game going live.
I had another friend order stuff for his chef. He paid well with no complaints.
All of my other stuff sat on my vendor.
Now I've got a couple chefs looking to buy stuff. As for pricing, I'll make a profit or I'll do chef as well as BE and use my own additives.
Magincia
Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:25 am
#25
I can hoestly say for the most part I have had good experiences with the dozen plus Chefs I deal with on my server. Once I made MBE my main sellers where pets but I have recently begun to build a client base for both Chefs and Tailors. I would say prices are somewhat on the mid to high range. Lights range from 15-25K a crate all pending on the quality and NB. Mediums 35-45K and heavys 55-65K. These prices mostly likely will be dropping now that I have a steady influx of meat. I have finially found several hunters to help me out. Granted I am paying 40 cpu for meat, just to get ppl interested in working for me. I also make tailor tissues... I am still working out prices there.
As for 'freebies' no one gets those. Guild members get 20% off most purchases. Note though all vendors in the guild follow this guideline more or less. I will only make schms for 500cpu on the schm. I don't get asked to often and when I do, they glup and move along without much argument.
I have been asked for a discount on full runs.. which I am happy to give 10%.. especially if they are planning on buying more runs and tissues from down the road.
I love my job and pet creation is now once again a joy and fun, since I can do it when I want to.
Vincentarasin
Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:54 am
#26
Shelby21 wrote:
Wow, Bria's economy really is messed up.. hehe, I sell them for 10/15/25k..
Yup, bria's is like that.
My buddy Delggato sells for that price, he has been a Mstr Be since release, awsome guy.
To my knowledge, he never pays more then 20cpu for his stuff, I never ask for more, mainly because Its not nesecarry.
10k Carn meat, is not hard at all to get (Dath, rancors) thats 200k at his price. More then enough to get my suit of armor or whatever.
Chefs are just to freaking greedy, Its plain and simple.
I have my own brandy schematic, my own Canape schematic, that I personally made when I was a master chef. To go along with my Addative schematics, that I made when I was master BE.
I wont buy it from em, the bloody galaxy robbers..