Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: New top 5 issues
I cannot stress how strongly I feel about this issue and anyone who knew how to play the class would know how bad this weapon switch delay really is. I need not say more.
BH's are not a direct combat profession, our strength lies is suprise and shock while knowing the abities of an opponent and what tools are needed to stop him cold.
Wrong. BH's are not only skilled in surprise and shock and the tools, but are considered to be one of the most powerful combat class out there - next to Jedi and Teras Kasi. Bounty Hunters are SOLO MASTERS, have a wide variety of weapons, are heavily armored, and only the best of the best stands any chance in a fight against a Bounty Hunter (excluding Jedi, and Terask Kasi). This, is in light of how they are portrayed in Starwars and EU.
You’re making it seem as though the Bounty Hunters are directly responsible for wiping out the Jedi when it was in fact the Empire. The empire hired only the most elite of BH’s to hunt jedi and even then most often those individual BH’s teamed up to increase their chances of survival. If BH’s were that wide in number and that powerful the empire never would have been able to rise to power so quickly as well as enacting the destruction of the Guild. In addition to that most BH’s are no where near the skill level of persona’s such Fett, or IG-88
Unlike the the media and movies would like to portray us, we are not mindless killers. Our job is to capture and transport a target, we only kill if necessary.
The main reason why such high profile names such as The Emperor, Jabba, Xizor (Head of Black Sun) etc. hire Bounty Hunters is because, they are VERY POWERFUL in combat and DEADLY. Not to mention why THEY are used in missions involving VERY POWERFUL people, including Luke Skywalker himself, Han Solo etc.
What you’re failing to notice here is the fact that the bounty hunters hired for those particular jobs were in the top 5% of their profession ( Boba Fett, Bosskk, IG-88). They were the exception to the rule as bounty hunters went and not the standard therefore the logic that BHs’ are the end all as a combat profession is unfounded. As well as the fact you relating this paragraph to a fiction standpoint you twit. Read the entry again more carefully and note the fact I’m making a real world reference here not a SW based reference.
In a real world stand up fight between a commando and a BH, the BH is going home in a body bag. Plain and simple.
No. The COmmando is going home in a body bag. It is because again, Bounty Hunters are elite elites - best of the best out there, having knowledge in all forms of ranged combat including heavy weapons, and THEY are used to hunt the most powerful people in the world - not Commandos. It is not without reason. A Commando would be no match for a Bounty Hunter. Plain and simple.
Um…what real world are you living in? I said real world not SWG. If you’re honestly telling me that a Professional Bounty Hunter can beat a trained Special Forces Operative (i.e. Commando) you really need to brush up on life. The word commando has been applied in both the real world and SWG as a basic term to clarify what is Special Forces, elite troops, Storm Commando’s, and the term special forces is used on a regular occasion throughout the novels as well as all forms in the EU in several abridged formats. If you have any basic understanding of tactical theory and military tactics any military force includes SpecOps. You would also realize that more often than not the Empire used the Storm Commandos among other types of troops to hunt jedi, where as Bounty Hunters were used to track and eliminate jedi that could not longer be found thru conventional means or handled thru conventional methods. BH’s were used due to their unorthodox methods for location and elimination., If you’ve bothered to read more than the books and watch the movies you’ll note that the vast majority of BH’s that killed jedi accomplished this thru non direct methods such as explosives, landslides, poisons rather than straight up confrontations. Only the most elite of Bounty Hunters attempted direct action. BH’s were never construed in SW and the EU as a direct combat persona. This is because they fight thru non direct methodology and that is exactly why you never read of a single instance of a Spec Ops (commando) and a BH going toe to toe because the average BH is not designed, trained nor equipped to do so. Only the most elite would be capable of this. SpecOps personnel are not uses in pubic environments due to the brutal methodology by which they work. Though they may not intend to cause damage to non-involved persons or property they nature of their work runs the high risk of secondary damage to collateral persons and property. One of the basic concepts of SpecOps fighting is CQB or Close Quarters Battling. This is a weapon skills that makes an individual high lethal at close range, but it also includes years upon years of hand to hand training in multiple martial arts. In SW and the EU these forms of H2H would Be Teras Kasi, Echani, K’Tara, Stava, K’thri among many. Any commando would be trained in such forms as a basic part of their teachings where as a BH would not. Commandos are trained in the precision use of hundreds of weapons to their fullest ability while most Bounty Hunters limit themselves to a select few out of comfort, availability and cost. Only the most well paid BH’s could afford rare weapons types or the cost of a custom design.
While I do agree that leeway must be given for the vast differences between RL and SWG there needs to be a line on continuity as to the actuality of what the BH profession is. I've been a fan of SW since I saw the first movie in 1979 in a drive in theater at 5 years old (yes I'm that old). I"ve seen the movies, read the books, yet in all that time I havn't seen a single instance of a BH going toe to toe with a commando at any time to my recollection.
Indeed there should be a continuity. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY Bounty Hunters are supposed to be UNMATCHED in ranged combat, because they are that powerful and skilled (supposed to be), not to mention the equipment, tools etc. You haven't seen because, There is no such thing as a Commando in Starwars Movies or Books.
Incorrect again. Commandos are present in the movies and books, more often in the books but not necessarily under the designation word Commando. I suggest you look up the root of this word which dates back to WWII, which has since evolved in the term Specail Forces, SpecOps, Elite Tactical Teams, ete. The word commando is used as a general classifiacation. The specific reason you never see BH’s go head to head with commando is because SpecOps is trained in the art of warfare and the vast majority of BH’s are not. That is why a BH would never be the equal of a Commando in the battle field. If you’re saying that commando’s don’t exist is SW or the EU then we should also be eliminating BE, Ranger, Scout, Architect, Tailor, Chef, Rifleman, Pistoleer, Squad Leader, Artisans and several other professions and should only have Imperials, Rebels, Non-Combat personnel, Medics, Creature Handlers, Doctors, 1 jedi per server, and some basic guards.
On the other hand, you could see how powerful Bounty Hunters handle the most powerful people in the world, going toe to toe with even JedI Knights...(fairly even fight against Jedi Knights, no match for Jedi Masters). Not to mention the only person in the entire galaxy to ever escape from the dreaded Sarlacc pit is a Bounty Hunter..and adding even more to continuity, you'll see even more of how POWERFUL Bounty Hunters arewhen you read how they handle the Yuuzhan Vong, rescuing Han Solo and co...to those unfamiliar, even most of the JediKnights wereweakand powerless when compared tothe Yuuzhan Vong (strongest warriors every featured in Starwars).
Again even in the instance of battling the Yuuzhan Vong the Bounty Hunters were successful only thru the use of unorthodox combat that the Vong had yet to encounter and it took large numbers of BH’s to have a significant effect. The number of BH’s in SW versus the number of Commandos would be drastically higher in ratio. BH’s were spread all over the known galaxy where as SpecOps are limited in number for several reasons, among those cost of training, limited qualified personnel, as well as limited use except during specific need. Commando’s are not front line troops they are masters of combat desiged to inflict massive damage to troops, property and moral in battle and then quickly withdraw to protect their limited numbers. Bounty Hunters are not trained for heavy brutal combat of this nature. A BH’s purpose is to deal with a single target or a very small group of targets be it for capture or a kill.
So there you see why Bounty Hunters are not someone who sneaks around and escorts people back and forth. They are highly skilled, and the masters are considered to be among the MOST POWERFUL combat classes in the galaxy - in addition to their tools, equipment etc. That is exactly why not all of their missions involve killing - because
Wrong. And I quote directly from the identical entry in both the SW core rules book and "The Complete guide to Star Wars" printed in 1991.
"Bounty Hunters track and recover sentient beings to bring them to "justice"-even if that’s little more than a Hutt’s personal vendetta. Before the rise of the Emperor, a bounty hunters guild worked openly, taking contracts to find those whom the authorities could not. At one point during Palpatine’s reign, however, the guild fragmented, leaving a large number of independent operatives. Though they occasionally worked together to tackle particularly difficult targets, most of the time they work alone, vying against each other to collect the largest rewards. Bounty Hunters differ from assassins in that they usually seek to capture their targets.
The bounty hunters described here range from rank amateurs to hard-bitten veteran no where near the equal of the most elite figures such as Boba Fett, Zam Wessell and Aurra Sing."
Commandos are masters of both typical and non-typical battlefields. Death dealing is their profession. Bounty Hunters are not direct combat troops. Their power lies in unorthodox methodology and more often than not indirect methods of handling targets.
I’ve bothered too much already to give detailed explanations to this issue when a rather vast majority of individuals on wanderhome home have had the opportunity to see the near complete proposal I have and from every one I have gotten the same response.
"When can you post it"
Those that have seen it have agree that what I have written is very in-depth, game blending and enhancing concept adding to what already exists and brings a fresh face to the BH profession and provides it many new skills, and facets of play. So unless someone out there can do a write up stop whining about what is and isn’t fair or needs to be changed, but rather make and effort and offer some full on constructive ideas with in-depth details and conceptual ideas. I’m making that effort not for myself but for the players of this game and I don’t even bother to play a BH any more. I’ve made this effort to provide solid content ideas and suggestion in the attempt to provide everyone of us with more versatile and playable professions. While in the process of writing this BH proposal, I’ve also been working on write ups for Commando, Ranger, Architect, and Artisan, both for the game currently and for the future when JTL is release.
So for those of you who wish nothing more that to whine about you can’t do this you can’t have that. Please…..Put a sock in it! For the 200+ of you who have mailed me directly thank you for your support and suggestions. I’ve been given several very inspirational ideas that would be very welcome skill additions to the Bounty Hunter profession.
"Bounty Hunters track and recover sentient beings to bring them to "justice"-even if that’s little more than a Hutt’s personal vendetta. Before the rise of the Emperor, a bounty hunters guild worked openly, taking contracts to find those whom the authorities could not. At one point during Palpatine’s reign, however, the guild fragmented, leaving a large number of independent operatives. Though they occasionally worked together to tackle particularly difficult targets, most of the time they work alone, vying against each other to collect the largest rewards. Bounty Hunters differ from assassins in that they usually seek to capture their targets. The bounty hunters described here range from rank amateurs to hard-bitten veteran no where near the equal of the most elite figures such as Boba Fett, Zam Wessell and Aurra Sing."
Message Edited by Maharaja on 07-13-2004 06:00 AM
Rarool wrote:5) BH's need more bh only carbines and pistols.
/agree
Would be nice to see some BH only weapons/content.
RR
1: The weapon switch timer shouldn't apply to the BH. Our profession was made to be proficient in 3 different weapons and this timer completely breaks our battle tactics.
2: Give Scatter pistols a better to hit ratio. I don't care how good a Jedi gets in this game because non of them will ever be a Mace or Yoda and shouldn't be able to saber block like them. It's only fair; I mean it's not like MBH will ever be a Jango or Boba, you know?
3: Make the Jedi mission payouts 150k again and stop nerfing BH to make fixes for Jedi. The only reason we all have the armor timer is because of them.
4: Higher level marks and better payouts at MBH. Also, I'd like to see npc jedi marks at MBH. I've been saying this forever and a year now.
5: Please make the LLC worth having for PvP. The accuracy and speed is awful as it is now at MBH.