Bio Engineer Archive

Message Edited by hiliofen on 03-17-2005 04:47 AM

It doesn't surprise me really.

Chefs get a point and click crafting system...We get a crafting system with variables, randoms and bespoke products, and they don't see us as a crafting profession. I admit that they are talking about tissues rather than pets in this instance, but with 75% of our trees pure crafting, we are as much a crafting profession as artisan...75%crafting, 25% sampling...sound familiar?

I wouldn't let it worry you though. I have long suspect that a lot of individuals in the game do not see BEs for what they really are, and tbh I have better things to do than get upset over it. If they start to get to you, just walk away and make some pets secure in the knowledge that you are doing something that no other crafting profession can do...

Hmm... think about this: if you make schematics for non-BEs when you cannot craft the stuff they need, you also take away the chance for other BEs to make the stuff. If I am not able to do something for my customers, I ask another BE on my server if he is able to do it. This is somekind of Bio-Engineer collective. Next time this BE has a problem, he may asks me if I can pitch in and everybody makes a deal of it

By the way... who is saying that we are no real crafter profession? *gets his powerhammer ready*

I would also like the verify that not all Chefs think that way. I have a tremendous respect for BEs, and I have said so on many occasions. I know that there are a lot of new Chefs out there that misunderstand the BE profession, and that these are usually the ones that are convinced BEs are greedy or unfair. They are simply ignorant of your profession, and of the challenges you face.

Chef as a profession is much easier to make money at than Bio Engineer. We also have a built in customer base (the entire server population), whereas BEs do 95% of their sales to OTHER master professions (Tailor,CH,Chef). That means BEs are generally a middleman. They are not supplying an end product except to CHs....and they dont go through very fast. No, a BE will make his/her money on tissue sales usually. The problem is, the most popular of the Chef tissues take high quality meat. That means anytime there is a great spawn of meat, they are getting into a bidding war with Chefs and Doctors.....two professions that generally make a LOT more than BEs.

Is this unfortunate? Most certainly. Do you already know ALL of this? Of course you do.

I am only typing this out at all to send a message to the BE community that there are several Chefs that respect what you do, and know that we couldnt live without you.

My regards,
Vomit

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ChefVomit wrote:
I would also like the verify that not all Chefs think that way. I have a tremendous respect for BEs, and I have said so on many occasions. I know that there are a lot of new Chefs out there that misunderstand the BE profession, and that these are usually the ones that are convinced BEs are greedy or unfair. They are simply ignorant of your profession, and of the challenges you face.

Chef as a profession is much easier to make money at than Bio Engineer. We also have a built in customer base (the entire server population), whereas BEs do 95% of their sales to OTHER master professions (Tailor,CH,Chef). That means BEs are generally a middleman. They are not supplying an end product except to CHs....and they dont go through very fast. No, a BE will make his/her money on tissue sales usually. The problem is, the most popular of the Chef tissues take high quality meat. That means anytime there is a great spawn of meat, they are getting into a bidding war with Chefs and Doctors.....two professions that generally make a LOT more than BEs.

Is this unfortunate? Most certainly. Do you already know ALL of this? Of course you do.

I am only typing this out at all to send a message to the BE community that there are several Chefs that respect what you do, and know that we couldnt live without you.

My regards,
Vomit

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-"I have underestimated the importance of a BE controlling his schematics - I have apologised on the BE boards where I got a bit singed. I traded schems as AS, often for free, or to gain goodwill even. So I thought little of asking a BE for the same favour.
I was a Master BE but I just made creatures as I never saw it as a 'crafting' prof. As Master Chef I now see how much of a crafting prof it is . What I should have said initially was: - I have some quality resources that I would like made into Chef bio's, can a Master BE quote me pls? I was a bit too keen and ended up overstepping the mark."-

I am the culprit. The above is taken from my initial post. I was undiplomatic and apologise for any resentment caused. Each Chef is an individual and I in no way represent any others. I intend buying BE product when I have established some income, however I need bio's to craft to generate that income. I have found a BE to help me get started and I in turn will support them by buying product and trading resources for hopefully a long time to come. - This is a key aspect of the game for me, I have no wish to monopolise my services to allow me to charge a premium and will trade Chef schems to anyone who asks and has the resources available.

1. Tissues are considered a "must have" for chefs, rather than an optional enhancement.


2. Chefs will always have good quality flora and almost always have good quality meats for their own crafting. Since we deal directly with combat players, we can often find "contract hunters" more easily (at least that's been my impression).


3. Food and tissues are manufactured in the same factory; so a chef doesn't have to invest in a new one just for tissues like they would if they were getting trim schematics from a tailor.


4. Due to differences between tissue and food manufacturing times, it seems to be extremely difficult fora BE to keep up with the demand from more than one or two chefs.

Getting cheap/free schematics (either from a BE player, picking up Chef + BE, or a BEalt) is seen as a simple way to cut costs and streamline the manufacturing pipeline. Although some chefs incorrectly look at those tissues as "freebies", not taking into account the time, resource and factory costs they've taken on rather than letting a BE handle them. Going Chef/BE leaves very few extra skill points to do non-crafting content. And the players who get an alt account completely baffle me: why pay an extra real-life $15 a month to save a few hundred in-game credits per tissue?

Tissue crafting is just as much "real crafting" as any other profession. Unfortunately, you're stuck with a limited market: making components for other crafters. And pet crafting is a whole different level, I've thought several times about starting a new character and going BE to try it out, but it looks a little intimidating.

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sciguyCO wrote:

Out of curiousity, what would work for you guys as a balanced partnership? Would you sell a schematic for the "future profit" price (what you could've earned with those 40 crates minus resource/factory costs that you're now passing on to the chef)? Would you trade actual tissues (not schematics) for resources?

I doin't always need credits for tissues, I've been willing to consider other types of trades. I refuse to craft schamtics on the cheap but I've created a few for 500k each. I also wasn't trying to be funny above when I suggested he trade schematics, I've done it a couple of times as well. I'll make the chef a schematic with his resources, he makes one with mine. A finished one plus the subcomponents (alchohol plus the brandy, etc). Of course, this tends to be the fastest way to get rid of greedy chefs who want cheap schematics.


I've always been willing to consider any fair trade. The key word though is fair. WHile not all, or even most chefs are credit grubbers, the profession seems to have much more than its fair share.