Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Is this an unbalanced Non CH pet?
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Ithilkir
Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:27 am
#1
Was fiddling around and came up with this pet in a second generation:
CL9
10/7/5.5 HAM
60 Kinetic Resist (rest are vuln)
160-170 Damage
Blind and Dizzy specials
Not sure whether I'm happy with it, or a bit disturbed over it...
CL9
10/7/5.5 HAM
60 Kinetic Resist (rest are vuln)
160-170 Damage
Blind and Dizzy specials
Not sure whether I'm happy with it, or a bit disturbed over it...
Sinhero
Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:42 am
#2
yes, it clearly falls into the category called "unbalanced".. however, as "the system is working as expected" (dev's voice) you aren'texploiting, so it's up to you what you want to do with it.
Sinero DaSilva
Master Bio-Engineer - Infinity
LloydPickering
Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:03 am
#3
There are 2 schools of thought to this:
1. Somwhere in the past...cant remember where, a/the Dev(s) have stated that they expectcl10 pets to have approx 4k Health(or was it HAM?) Therefore this is an unbalanced pet...
2. The Devs have stated that the system is working as intended. (Is it ever???) Therefore this is not an unbalanced pet.
My personal view is that this pet is unbalanced in relation to a wild non-ch pet, however as this has been stated to be working as intended either a) the Devs approve, or b) when the s**t hits the fan, you aren't to blame for believing the 'working as intended'. Most of the combat system is either bugged or unbalanced (hence the combat balance) and therefore I personally just roll with it. In an overpowered system, whats one more overpowered item?
Hylidex
Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:07 am
#4
I think I would just sell it/use it/give it away with the caveat that it may become invalid at some point in the future. I find them disturbing, and I don't make them for general sale, but I might make one for a friend.
TrinityIsaak
Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:47 am
#5
If the glove don't fit, you must acquit
ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly ... If you can make it, and it hasn't been outlawed yet (these have been around for a while) then it's legal
ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly ... If you can make it, and it hasn't been outlawed yet (these have been around for a while) then it's legal
ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:04 am
#6
I'm not going to be dragged into (another) argument about this, as you all know how I feel. But if you want to know how the devs feel, the "official" dev quote is listed in the "Dev communication thread" sticky above.
Woe_icoby
Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:16 am
#7
if the devs feel the need to nerf it in future maybe they should look hard at doing the work in the first place to make it impossible to make.
IMO
IMO
AArmegeddon
Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:34 am
#8
Well, as a novice bio eng, I just made an ikopi with 4k ham all around stats, cl 15, and some 10% kin resists with only poop samples and one point to experiment with. The combinations are endless with this prof im finding out. It would be nice to ask for a few mil for a pet like you made. We are living in the star wars universe, creating our own path, effecting the world around us. So if an uber pet, gun, stick, food, whatever is crafted, then why nerf it. I mean, isnt that the exact thing that separates swg from all the other games? Thats why I play anyway.
Ithilkir
Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:55 am
#9
Well I was talking to one of my regular customers (a MCH) about it and he gave me a good piece of advice for it, which was roughly...
"You're an armoursmith and weaponsmith for Creature Handlers, a wild pet is much like looted CDEF or tusken rifle, would a rifleman use a looted tusken rifle or CDEF or would he speak to a weaponsmith to get the best weapon he could? Those of us that insist on using only wild pets are in effect limting themselves to using a CDEF. A CH does not need to pay money for his weapons, but if he does then he should get more powerful pets, the same way a non CH has the choice of a 'CDEF pet' or an 'Acklay pet', though a CL70 Bio pet will always be better than a CL10 Bio pet and a Bio pet will always be better than a wild pet. Remember, every CH has the choice to use an 'Acklay pet' as well, so they have no right to demand that everyone else use a CDEF pet because they choose to."
A good point I felt, being a MCH as well it's a dilema, I don't want non CH's to have pets as good as most CH's can get, but then, as a master CH with three BIO pets they might as well have a wild carrion spat to my wild bull rancor.
"You're an armoursmith and weaponsmith for Creature Handlers, a wild pet is much like looted CDEF or tusken rifle, would a rifleman use a looted tusken rifle or CDEF or would he speak to a weaponsmith to get the best weapon he could? Those of us that insist on using only wild pets are in effect limting themselves to using a CDEF. A CH does not need to pay money for his weapons, but if he does then he should get more powerful pets, the same way a non CH has the choice of a 'CDEF pet' or an 'Acklay pet', though a CL70 Bio pet will always be better than a CL10 Bio pet and a Bio pet will always be better than a wild pet. Remember, every CH has the choice to use an 'Acklay pet' as well, so they have no right to demand that everyone else use a CDEF pet because they choose to."
A good point I felt, being a MCH as well it's a dilema, I don't want non CH's to have pets as good as most CH's can get, but then, as a master CH with three BIO pets they might as well have a wild carrion spat to my wild bull rancor.
Woe_icoby
Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:13 am
#10
the non ch tank is just a tank tho, it cant hit harder than a carrion spat
the master ch can have a lightly armoured beast with strong poison and a dmg of 550 if he wants it
the master ch can have a lightly armoured beast with strong poison and a dmg of 550 if he wants it
AArmegeddon
Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:23 am
#11
"A good point I felt, being a MCH as well it's a dilema, I don't want non CH's to have pets as good as most CH's can get, but then, as a master CH with three BIO pets they might as well have a wild carrion spat to my wild bull rancor."
It would probably be a quick, easy fix, but imagine if they made it so no non ch could use any, any kind of be pet. It would be the same idea as a pistoleer not using an aklay stun baton. Or a pikeman not using a gorax launcher pistol (which I have, and oh it is so nice). The same principal as being certified for different weapons.
On the other hand, think of the day where you are in the middle of a bidding war with a ch bounty hunter and a jedi over the now 5 mil pet you made. For those who bio eng pets, it might hurt ones income as well, being able to sell to only ch players. (providing that they havent figured out the formula for the "secretariet pet")
Perhaps capping ham, or resits when the pet reaches level 10 could be an answer, which takes us back to the issue of not seeing the cl when we experiment.
By the way /cheer for the players who started this. It is an accomplishment non the less.
It would probably be a quick, easy fix, but imagine if they made it so no non ch could use any, any kind of be pet. It would be the same idea as a pistoleer not using an aklay stun baton. Or a pikeman not using a gorax launcher pistol (which I have, and oh it is so nice). The same principal as being certified for different weapons.
On the other hand, think of the day where you are in the middle of a bidding war with a ch bounty hunter and a jedi over the now 5 mil pet you made. For those who bio eng pets, it might hurt ones income as well, being able to sell to only ch players. (providing that they havent figured out the formula for the "secretariet pet")
Perhaps capping ham, or resits when the pet reaches level 10 could be an answer, which takes us back to the issue of not seeing the cl when we experiment.
By the way /cheer for the players who started this. It is an accomplishment non the less.
Grozurr
Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:30 am
#12
Hylidex wrote:I think I would just sell it/use it/give it away with the caveat that it may become invalid at some point in the future. I find them disturbing, and I don't make them for general sale, but I might make one for a friend.
Same here. I personally mes around w/ the system for the sheer fun in it. I've ended up making myself about 3 of these things, two of which i kept. I made another one and offered it to guildies for 10k and sold it. If i ever put one of these up on a vendor i anticipate it will be priced at no less than 50k or 60k.
Zadokk
Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:37 am
#13
Ithilkir wrote:
Well I was talking to one of my regular customers (a MCH) about it and he gave me a good piece of advice for it, which was roughly...
"You're an armoursmith and weaponsmith for Creature Handlers, a wild pet is much like looted CDEF or tusken rifle, would a rifleman use a looted tusken rifle or CDEF or would he speak to a weaponsmith to get the best weapon he could? Those of us that insist on using only wild pets are in effect limting themselves to using a CDEF. A CH does not need to pay money for his weapons, but if he does then he should get more powerful pets, the same way a non CH has the choice of a 'CDEF pet' or an 'Acklay pet', though a CL70 Bio pet will always be better than a CL10 Bio pet and a Bio pet will always be better than a wild pet. Remember, every CH has the choice to use an 'Acklay pet' as well, so they have no right to demand that everyone else use a CDEF pet because they choose to."
A good point I felt, being a MCH as well it's a dilema, I don't want non CH's to have pets as good as most CH's can get, but then, as a master CH with three BIO pets they might as well have a wild carrion spat to my wild bull rancor.
I think that's true but to me its like saying "Well you don't have to exploit... if you want, but you'd be foolish not to."
Personally, these pets are too strong but I would still make them and sell them because to me - they've been around for ages, the devs haven't even hinted at changing it and as far as i can see, there are no plans in the near future to change them.
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