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Just want to check something but I've spotted recently that sometimes (i haven't narrowed this down exactly) but there are occasions when you find dna samples with 2 specials each being merged with the sample in mental mixing being as special one and the special in aggression ending up in two. Anyway else seen this happening or have any futher information?

I have it happen to me a few times as well. Still haven't been able to reproduce it 100% of the time. Gonna do some test with the Tissue quality as the variable.

i see agression doing both sp 1 and sp2 every single time.

Here is the first round of tests, gotta go do some sampling now. Ran out of same qual, same specicies DNA.

Test 1.

Mental HQ DNA.

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Crippling Strike

Agression HQ DNA.

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- Strong Disease

Phys/Psych/Prow AA DNA.

Spec 1- KD

Spec 2- Blinding Stirke

Result.

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- --------

Test 2.

Mental AA DNA.

Spec 1- Blinding Strike

Spec 2- Intimdation

Agression HQ DNA

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Psych/Phys/Prow AA DNA

Spec 1- Area Combo

Spec 2- Dizzy Strike

Result.

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Test 3.

Mental AA DNA.

Spec 1- Blinding Strike

Spec 2- Intimdation

Agression HQ DNA

Spec 1- KD

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Psych/Phys/Prow. VHQ DNA

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Crippling Strike

Result.

Spec 1- KD

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Test 4,

Mental VHQ DNA

Spec 1- KD

Spec 2- Dizzy Strike

Agression AA DNA

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Psych/Phys/Prow HQ DNA

Spec 1- Open Wound

Spec 2- Strong Poison

Result.

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Test 5.

Ment VHQ DNA

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Agression VHQ DNA

Spec 1- Blinding Strike

Spec 2- Intimidation

Psych/Phys/Prow VHQ DNA

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

Result

Spec 1- Blidning Strike

Spec 2- Intimidation

Test 6

Ment VHQ DNA

Spec 1- Intimidation

Spec 2- Stunning Strike

Agreesion AA DNA

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- Strong Disease

Psych/Phys/Prow AA DNA

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Strong Poison

Result

Spec 1- Strong Poison

Spec 2- Strong Disease

So far, Agression has resulted in 5 out of 6 of the tests. With only 1 having the Special 1 from Agression and nothing for a Spec 2. Which I can't quite figure out why that is. Right before I ran this test, I did get another weird result, but I wasn't taking notes, so I don't remember exactly what all I used. But the end result was a Spec 1 and Spce 2 Blinding Strike. I do know that none of my samples prior to this template has had double Blinding Strike.

I'll run some more test after I get more samples. So, it seems only a very few specific combinations will result in mixed Specials.

nae, try this:

aggression-special 1 anything, special 2 ---

all other slots with a different special 2

I made a cl 7 animal with diseased nunaand nightspider dna. came out with both disease and poison (mild).

Great experiment by Nae. Pretty definitive.

Very interesting experiment. Kudos to the ones that did it.

From looking at the results, it seems that Special #1 correspond to Special #1 ofthe AggressionSlot. All6 tests validates that.

Special #2 is an 'optional slot' that will be filled once a 'certain threshold' is crossed. Some guesses that the threshold might be 2 or more occurance of the same specials in other slots with priority given the special #2 from the Aggresion slot. If there aren't 2 or more occurance of the same special, then the special #2 of Agression Slot MIGHT be used if a certain % is crossed? e.g. >50% experimentation in the aggression slot?

Kimogila, Master Bio-Engineer, Flurry Server

I ran a very similar experiment to this one and had nearly identical results, BUT... in one experiment i used :

ALL SLOTS except AggressionVHQ DNA

Spec 1- Intimidation

Spec 2- Stunning Strike

for aggressionVHQ DNA

Spec 1- Stunning Strike

Spec 2- Blinding Strike

I came out with:

Special 1: Stunning strike

Special 2: Stunning strike

not very useful specials, but the info itself may help

I just went out and got 4 bol samples and 1 bol pack runner samples

bol: All slots except aggression

Special 1: Knockdown

Special 2: Intimidation

bol pack runner: Aggression slot

Special 1: Stunning Strike

Special 2: Dizzy Strike

End result:

Special 1: Stunning Strike

Special 2: Dizzy Strike

Hmmm

I am not getting that -

I mixed DNA with no sp1 or sp2 in Metal and put theDNA with sp1 and sp2 in the Aggr slot only=the sp1 sp2 was passed into the template.

so, i am not sure that Mental plays that much a role for sp1 sp2.

Played a bit last night SP1 & 2 seems to confirm others statements that it depends on Aggr slot and quality of sample if it carries. Ranged seems to depend on Mental.

What I want to know now, what the heck does Ranged Knockdown do?

This points out one of the main reasons zero documentation gives us an unnecessary amount of pain when crafting clones. With the oddities Ive been seeing, I'd like to suggest a standard for experimentation. 100% repeatability over15 (more?)identical experiments... because there seems to be some random factors strewn throughout everything.

Test 1 (15 iterations):

• SP1 = DNA with Special 1: Exists, SPecial 2: None


• N = DNA with no specials at all


• All DNA of a type was from 1 type of creature


• Quality of the DNA was not controlled


• DNA Template was filled SP1 / N / N / N / N (in order Phy, Pro, Men, Psy, Agg)


• 3 resultant templates had Special 1: Exists, Special 2: None


• 12 had no specials at all

Test 2 (15 iterations):

• SP2 = DNA with Special 1: None, Special 2: Exists


• N = DNA with no specials at all


• All DNA of a type was from 1 type of creature


• Quality of the DNA was not controlled


• DNA Template was filled SP2 / N / N / N / N (in order Phy, Pro, Men, Psy, Agg)


• 4 resultant templates had Special 1: None, Special 2: Exists


• 11 had no specials at all

Conclusions:

1. There may be a random seed determining if a special will stick


2. Quality of DNA may influence a special sticking (AA vs H vs HQ) this was NOT tracked


3. There may be a statistical minimum to in Physique (Hard and/or Fort) to make it stick


4. DNA stats in a non-Physique stat may have an influence on sticking a special

These oddities in SP1 vs SP2 demonstrate the necessity for multiple iterations of an experiment. Simply slapping together one template in the above manner would have NOT given me any resemblence of the truth. Lets not put too much weight into claims demonstrated with a single iteration.... it is like flipping a coin once and declaring "This coin always lands on heads".

Unlike light armor, which has to have 50% physique to stick, it seems that specials are set in stone before experimentation. Any one find anything different?