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Thread: about bone armor
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hamhamthe3rd
Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:50 am
#1
i think something is seriously wrong with it. supposely it is "noob" armor but it is worthless to a new player for the simple fact its not likely to provide any protection of the most common damage type a new player will be facing - kinetic.
energy is good and well if you are going to go afk outside of cnet killing meatlumps all day but i dont think thats how most new folks grind. they go after super gnorts or what not and they need kinetic.
right now as it is, those that know, know better than to waste their time with bone armor. they either join a guild to get their first set of ubese or they beg for cash. but it doesnt have to be that way. no im not wanting for bone armor to offer up what ubese does. i want its normal energy protection switched for kinetic.
SEAkridge
Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:28 am
#2
If you make bone armor using voritor enhancements, it has kinetic resistance
Fodder650
Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:30 am
#3
Or if you use voritor scales as an enhancement when making your segment you'll get the kinectic as well. Its only 6% but you move kinectic out of the vulnerability catagory and your AP1 vs AP0 from most low level creatures.
Anyone else notice we are seeing an awful lot of Bone Armor threads?
Anyone else notice we are seeing an awful lot of Bone Armor threads?
hamhamthe3rd
Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:21 pm
#4
i am aware that you can get some kinetic but that doesnt change the fact kinetic isnt standard when its really what you need.
Cobacca1
Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:21 pm
#5
hamhamthe3rd wrote:
i am aware that you can get some kinetic but that doesnt change the fact kinetic isnt standard when its really what you need.
As the previous poster stated.. it's not so much the fact that they have or don't have Kinetic Damage protection... it's really about the fact that armor will give them a Armor Protection rating of 1 (AP1), instead of 0 (AP0). I think that AP1 gives a 50% damage reduction right off of the top if I remember correctly.
AimpaWasfa
Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:23 pm
#6
How much kinetic resistance with voritor? like 10%, or is it more?
Cobacca1
Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:46 pm
#7
AimpaWasfa wrote:
How much kinetic resistance with voritor? like 10%, or is it more?
I believe that I have seen anywhere from 5% to 8%... with 6% being the most common.
Gooney
Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:54 am
#8
hamhamthe3rd wrote:
i am aware that you can get some kinetic but that doesnt change the fact kinetic isnt standard when its really what you need.
Seems like you dont understand how armor works currently. Any armor worn give you an AR1 if you have resists to the damage type, versus AP0 attacks at that level. Now even if the armor only has a measly 5% kinetic your reducing damage taken by 50%+ 5% =55%. Assuming that gnorts have AP0 attack, each level Armor Rating decreases damage by 50%.
So without kinetic Bone armor takes 100% damage from kinetic ...meaning that it is vulnerable. With just 1% kinetic resists it is suddenly AR1 reducing any AP0 attack by 50% off the top. So the same AP0 damage is reduced by 50%, now if the Gnort has AP1 then the damage you take is not modified by anything other than the kinetic resist.
So in Bone Armor without voritor enhancements your best bet is to do NPC missions. With voritor enhancements its suited to nearly any noob critters.
See the Armorsmith Faq for a better explination, mine may be unclear, he gives good examples.
-Gooney
AimpaWasfa
Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:31 am
#9
It is n00b armor. But it still doesn't do anything for them. It's armor, just to say you have armor.
SEAkridge
Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:36 am
#10
I use bone armor to hunt quenkers unbuffed when I just need to harvest a bunch of animal resources and the quality doesn't matter. If you don't get in a solo group, you get missions with only 2 quenkers coming out at a time, and the bone armor with 6% kinetic from the voritor scales is just fine for that. I save the composite for when I am fighting things that do a variety of different damage types.
Gooney
Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:45 am
#11
AimpaWasfa wrote:
It is n00b armor. But it still doesn't do anything for them. It's armor, just to say you have armor.
I just dont understand this kind of answer. Whats the point? I think its safe to say that bone armor has its uses. Its not the best armor in every instance, but in some instances well made bone is great.
Just because you dont use it doesnt mean that no-one does. I use it. Several other people use it. It is armor just like every other armor. Yes it is primarily for noobs, but not the exclusive domain of them.
-Gooney
hamhamthe3rd
Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:27 pm
#12
im well aware on how ap works and im also aware that you can have heavy armor, if there were heavy, and it wont mean a thing if its hit with what itsvulnerable to. the only thing i dont understand about ap aka armor pierce is that all armors have lightsaber vulnerability but lightsabers have various ap levels but thats another matter.
your standard bone armor comes with energy and electric if i remember right. why were those chosen? what the heck is a "noob" fighting that does electric damage? i understand that he might run into a jabba thug that uses energy but your avg noob isnt grinding on jabbas, he is killing creatures.
it makes sense to me for kinetic to come standard and the others force you to use segments to add. if the energy and kinetic were switched, giving the noob kinetic protection but lacking energy unless added, it would be a fair compromise and bone armor would be marketable for the artisan AND he could mass produce it better.
Ochiir
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:55 am
#13
Another thing to keep in mind. Bone armor is mostly made by new artisans, so called noobs. They usualy dont have the means to get voritor scales as easy, so getting kinetic protection isnt that easy for them.
If they decided to switch the energy with kinetic as the original poster suggests new artisans would have a new, much needed, thing too sell thats actually usefull. And im not saying that bone armor is useless, it probably has it uses. But it is mostly used by new players, so let the new artisans sell to the new fighters..
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