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Thread: Artisan Poll: Harvester Certifications: Yes or No
Guruweaver,
Please make sure your settings are such that you can read the one-star posts. Because in this thread there are people one-starring posts that have nothing more than the word "Yes" and a signature.
If that doesn't demonstrate to you that there is a problem with this poll idea...adding to it there's no way for you to tell that these people are really artisans and that some of the elite crafters are really considering their elite professions and not their artisan profession...I don't know what will.
Some of the "No" people have admitted an incredibly high number of accounts for one person.... And do you think these people aren't voting with all their accounts?
I think you should look at the sentiments experssed in the "Master artisan, the Welfare Profession" thread to see the sentiments of artisans and not this thread...which looks to me like an invitation for the ebayers and cross-server lot swappers to come and vote no with all the accounts they own whilst claiming to be master artisans.
Just my 2 credits.
joined42904 wrote:
Guruweaver,
Please make sure your settings are such that you can read the one-star posts. Because in this thread there are people one-starring posts that have nothing more than the word "Yes" and a signature.
If that doesn't demonstrate to you that there is a problem with this poll idea...adding to it there's no way for you to tell that these people are really artisans and that some of the elite crafters are really considering their elite professions and not their artisan profession...I don't know what will.
Some of the "No" people have admitted an incredibly high number of accounts for one person.... And do you think these people aren't voting with all their accounts?
I think you should look at the sentiments experssed in the "Master artisan, the Welfare Profession" thread to see the sentiments of artisans and not this thread...which looks to me like an invitation for the ebayers and cross-server lot swappers to come and vote no with all the accounts they own whilst claiming to be master artisans.
Just my 2 credits.
NO
Seriously guys, are you insane? That's like raising the cost of gasoline to $30 a gallon. Hello recession.
joined42904 wrote:
Garvin,
It's sometimes hard for me to follow your posts because the things I wrote aren't separated from the things you wrote. Of course I remember what I wrote.
I was talking about Artisans as Artisans and not as members of an elite crafting profession when I was saying that we usually don't buy many resources. Of course the elite crafters do. The current system means they don't know when the next spawn of xxxx resource needed to make yyyy item will be. So they must stock up. (Of course their stocking up means that the very best items stay around and available for longer. I don't necessarily think it would be a bad thing if the average weapon or armor didn't meet today's standards due to lack of "the best" resources.)
The prices on "the best" items will of course go up. But given the stockpiles currently existing with respect to "grinding quality" resources, I think it will be a long time before you have a shortage of average-quality items. (Average in the sense of what I presuppose the devs to have originally intended for the game, though I might be wrong.)
I don't mind your supplementing your income by making an investment. But I don't see the analogy between investing in the RW and actively mining resources using complex machinery you don't have any skills relating to in the SWG world. It's not as if you're investing in a mining company. You're running the machine yourself.
That's where our opinions differ most I think...I don't see it as "using skills I don't have"...All I'm doing is ploping down a Harvestor and turning it on...anyone in the Real Word can pick up a pick axe and start mining, but it takes an expert to know WHERE to mine...doesn't mean they are going to find anything...I can't survey, I can just turn on a mining machine...In essence I'm investing in a mining machine...I don't believe that a Harvestor should be considered to require certain skills to run...it only tells me what's available in that one spot, not if their is something better 50m to the right...What's next, requiring an Artisan Drivers license to fly a vehicle? (trying to be humorous here...not flaming)
Unfortunately I feel it's unfair to even consider this change as an Artisan effect only when voting...You have to consider how it will effect every profession beyond just Artisan...If I was going to propose a major change to the Commando profession, it's my job to figure out how it will balance with other professions out there (will it make us to powerful, will other's be able to compete, etc)...So if you are going to look at Resources being less availableand then consider who buys them...you HAVE TO look at the bigger picture...You can't base a change as significant as this on just how it impacts the Artisan Community alone...
And yes, there are some that have stockpiles out there...but again, look at the Auction forums...do you see how some rare resources go for high prices already...that's because their is a lack of "stock piles" out there available to the masses...what will happen to those prices when those rare resources become even more rare? And what will happen with current resources that are found in bulk start reducing in availability as well? Those with stockpiles will see them lower...and eventually be forced to buy resources to meet demand...so the bigger picture and the down the roadoutlook both appear negative...
1) they never will have elite crafting prof, grind an elite crafting professions require millions of resources(do you really think they will be able to harvest those millions of resources with personal harvesters? and do you think they will be able to afford higher harvesters when those require thousands of resources to build?).
2) they will HAVE TO harvest, damn, it's exactly like the stat migration stupidity, if only Artisan can harvest, everybody will yell at them to harvest and will hate them fro that. I dropped Entertainer because of something that stupid, don't want to have to do it again for artisan.
Casey,
It's not hard to get points in the survey line of artisan. It just takes time and a sacrifice of skill points. Anyone can do it. So if the price of resources rises too much, all you would need to do is take the skills necessary to obtain the resources. The price can only rise so high with respect to things that are within the ability of even newbiew to obtain.
If there is a recession, it won't be the kind where people lose their jobs. The jobs are there at the terminals for anyone willing to work. 