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JFreeman wrote:

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KaingPu wrote:

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HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC

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Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.

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Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.

At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.

So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.

What do you think?

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YAYY!!!! WHEN!!!!

WHEN IT GOES LIVE, !YOUR DRINKS ARE ON ME FOR TEH NIGHT!!!!!

ps im serious about the drinks being on me for the night(at a bar of my choosing)

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SmokingFrog wrote:

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JFreeman wrote:

Yes, that's my hidden agenda here: To unify the codepath for vehicle restoration. Currently we have vehicles that cannot ever be re-enabled, some of which can be easily replaced and others which cannot, in addition to a speeder that can be re-enabled with money, plus one speeder that can be re-enabled for free due to a bug, or with a very specific repair kit.

So we want a single coherent system that all vehicles utilize, and none of the "special casing" on a per-vehicle basis. We'd remove the "20k credits option" that restore flash speeders and make them work the same way everything else works.

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So you're going to reneg on the "exlusive JTL pre-order vehicle" as it was published? Not really fair to those of us who jumped on the JTL bandwagon. Really that's the only feature about the Flash that makes it worthwhile IMHO...it's not especiailly fast, the cosmetics are decent, but if not for it's replacability I certainly would drive something else. If you go ahead with this idea I hope that you'd make it craftable too then, or at least increase our total vehicle allowance to 4 or 5 rather than 3.

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Umm no offense, but the Flash Speeder should not be made craftable as it was a pre-order gift for JTL. Now I like others paid for JTL a month before it came out to get that special speeder, and I am sure we would all no be impressed if all of a sudden it doesn't mean anything to own a flash speeder. A flash speeder is not very fast but when I do use I get the sense of not many people have this as not everyone pre-ordered JTL. It's the same as the goggles in SWG for the special edition it's unique.

BTW JFreeman love the idea as a person who had his old AV-21 destroyed by a dark jedi knight and had to pay another 2.5 million credits for another one it would be great to be able to use it without worrying of having to save that kind of credits again if it got destroyed. Also I would assume Jetpack owners would love you for it as I have seen them beening sold in auctions for 60 Million credits. But I din't really see the usage of it for the lower vehicles (swoop, speederbike, x-34 etc) The rarer, harder items yes I totally agree.

Plus for the record it accordance to speed the AV is the fastest in the game, I have reaced against swoops, BARCS and the AV always wins. But the BARC is a close call as it's damn nice but the swoop has no chance against it.

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BJTFWizkid wrote:
You will be breaking a binding agreement if you do remove the 20k flash speeder as the way it is currently. We were guaranteed to have that option when we purchased the pre-order, if you try to take it away you are violating that agreement. The only reason I did a pre-order was so that I could replace the flash speeder while out and about and it got destroyed without having to use any kit or be by a garage.

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Dpjarrett wrote:

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BJTFWizkid wrote:
You will be breaking a binding agreement if you do remove the 20k flash speeder as the way it is currently. We were guaranteed to have that option when we purchased the pre-order, if you try to take it away you are violating that agreement. The only reason I did a pre-order was so that I could replace the flash speeder while out and about and it got destroyed without having to use any kit or be by a garage.

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Ever read theEnd User License Agreement? You should, you agree to the terms of it everytime you start the game. Essentially, there's language in there which states that SOE has the right to change anything about the game at anytime at their discretion.

Basically, everytime you click that little "I accept" button to start playing the game, you're waiving away your rights to make almostany claims against the company. There's even a clause in there that says the SWG software can fry your computer and you take full responsibility for all damages.

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ya know, if they did slip that in there, they had better pray to wahtever god they pray to, that it never happens to one of my computers

and freeman, the beer is waitin on ya

That would make me so happy. My AV-21 got killed my some sith outlaws (grrrr)and am only using my BARC...please, i miss my AV-21

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JFreeman wrote:

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KaingPu wrote:

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HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC

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Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.

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Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.

At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.

So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.

What do you think?

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This is an awesome idea. two thumbs up.

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Warryyr wrote:

Vehicles

• There is no longer a 15-45 second delay on calling vehicles.
• Disabled AV21's and Jetpacks can now be repaired at garages.

What is this junk? It's a note on the newest TC patches notes here.

It was my understanding these would be repaired with a tool. Thanks for adding a money sink and passing on a marketable product for Artisans, I guess.

JFreeman, an explanation would be VERY much appreciated about this, it seems we just got screwed over with repair kits.

So, I guess the BARC "bug" wasn't a bug, it's now a feature.

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He says it clearly in his post that at first they are going to make those vehicles repairable at the garage as a temporary sollution.

THEN they are going to impliment the repair kits.


- Omadda Szool
Kauri

May the force be with you.

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omadnay wrote:

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Warryyr wrote:

Vehicles

• There is no longer a 15-45 second delay on calling vehicles.
  
• Disabled AV21's and Jetpacks can now be repaired at garages.

What is this junk? It's a note on the newest TC patches notes here.

It was my understanding these would be repaired with a tool. Thanks for adding a money sink and passing on a marketable product for Artisans, I guess.

JFreeman, an explanation would be VERY much appreciated about this, it seems we just got screwed over with repair kits.

So, I guess the BARC "bug" wasn't a bug, it's now a feature.

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He says it clearly in his post that at first they are going to make those vehicles repairable at the garage as a temporary sollution.

THEN they are going to impliment the repair kits.


- Omadda Szool
Kauri

May the force be with you.

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Well, I didn't find it particularly clear that this was the intendedapproach they were taking.

And, it sucks, but I fullyexpect a backlash once people getused to repairing their AV-21's and Jetpacks at garages, then are "forced" to pay other players lots ofcredits to do the same thing with repair kits.

I'll predict that it will eventually lead to repair kits being removed, and garages doing the refurbish exclusively.

Anyways, thanks for clearing that up, I didn't gather from his posts at all that it would be initially at a garage, then later repair kits. I think that's a bad move.

I like the idea of being able to repair any disabled vehicle, but first of all I think that repairing a disabled vehicle at a garage should cause the vehicle to loose some of it's maximum condition (say it was at 2400/2400, now it can go up to 2300/2300 after being repaired). This will give some incentive to buying higher quality vehicles, or paying an artisan to use his best resources to craft that AV-21. Once the vehicle gets down to a certain max (500?) it no longer loses max condition when it's regenerated, to avoid the vehicle becoming completely destroyed, but at this point it will be "incentive" for the owner to buy a new swoop/AV-21, etc, which helps to keep the vehicle market moving. Nobody wants to be repairing that 500/500 vehicle every 20 minutes because it degrades so fast!

On the other hand, if the user uses a *VERY* costly repair kit made from hard to get asteroid resources (Seems these things will be rare/expensive due to the time wasted getting resources), then the repair should be 100%, no loss of maximum condition.

To add to the "vehicle variety" concept, I've always thought vehicles should have another experimentation line for "Speed". Each vehicle could have a speed range that is unique to that vehicle (Swoop: 50-100, AV-21: 75-100, X34: 25-50, Flash: 25-75, etc), and experimentation in the "Speed" line while crafting it will make that vehicle faster. Also an incentive for people to make/sell/buy higher quality vehicles.

Taking it even a step farther, a 3rd line could be added for handling, so that better resources and experimentation will result in being able to turn faster...

J

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JFreeman wrote:

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KaingPu wrote:

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HyeStringer wrote:
are these repairable? or toast if disabled like every other vehicle that is not a BARC

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Nope... they are toast when disabled. Just delete, cry, and move on.

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Uhm... don't delete it. We're putting in a way to restore disabled vehicles.

At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.

So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.

What do you think?

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I LOVE the idea of being able to use my jetpack whenever and wherever I chose, without being overly concerned about potshots from the random NPC or critter. Currently, I pretty much only use it when tooling around player cities or near Coronet or Theed (but only when on-leave). I wouldn't dare pull it out on Dathomir or Dantooine.

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JFreeman wrote:

At first, this is going to be for the "special case" vehicles only: the flash speeder, the BARC, the AV21 and the jetpack. Garages will just allow you to repair those vehicles even if they are disabled.

So we're thinking that the BARC speeder refurb kit should be repurposed to be a "Vehicle Restoration Kit", which could be used (and would be required) to restore any disabled vehicle. Obviously, people wouldn't want to use them for vehicles that are cheap enough to replace, but then you'd be selling the refurb kits to anyone with a BARC, flash speeder, AV21 or Jetpack.

What do you think?

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Has any thought been given to making all vehicles more equal in speed and terrain negotiation? I understand the theory perfectly, but in a game invironment where one can have any vehicle they like all it does is lead most players to use the same vehicles.

Example is the first 3 introduced. It did not take to long until all we ever saw were swoops 95% of the time. Since we had all the new vehicles introduced and the baarc for TE purchasers all we now see 90% of the time baarc (easy repaired) and swoop.

Now with this new change we are still only going to see AV-21, Baarc and Swoops 90% of the time. Swoops are cheap and fast so they will always be used by most people while they arewaiting to get an AV-21 and as the backups for those with baarcs and AV-21 until they can get back to a garage or are out of repair kits when that is put in.

Wouldn't the devs really like to see more of the speeders running around since you all put in so much hard work to create them?

Equal out thier performance more and we will see it. Then it will become more of a game of what style you like and more people use them all.

As it stands now in most daily use why would anyone use anything other then the fastest ones?

Message Edited by Trynian1 on 08-17-2005 10:35 AM

Just wanted to follow-up on this:



Flash speeders didn't change (you'll still have the 20k option to restore them).

The vehicle restoration kit now works on any disabled vehicle (and you don't need to be at a parking garage to use one).

It's no longer free at garages to restore disabled vehicles.



Thanks for all the feedback. Look for this change in publish 23.