Artisan Archive
Thread: vehicle prices
Korlan
Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:10 am
#27
Curxcha wrote:
Korlan wrote:
on eclipse i charge:
20k swoop
16k speederbike
12k landspeedr
resource price... 3 cpu? Then you add a couple k's for your time, skill and work. You should get some other prices then
If you use very high sr ql on alu/ copper and steel. Go buy it, make the speeder and tell me your new price on a 6-8 cpu steel speeder. Ppl wont buy it. So better to use crap metals and sell it for 3.5 cpu and be done with it and they get a crappy mount.
Point is, your prices seems waaay low
wow first time anyone ever said anything about my prices lol
I only use the best.. maybe I will up the price a bit more...
Sevardos
Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:51 am
#28
Keaka26 wrote:
Anyone who mines their own resources can easily sell for dirt cheap. Like I said, I sold for 10k,15k,20k and its not like I was losing any money. The only thing you are charging for is your time and skill for the most part. The mined resources cost the miner like less than .5CPU... Selling for 2CPU is a decent profit margin. Personally, I cant see charging some poor n00b 40k to buy his first swoop, then have him need to repair his swoop for 4k, and not have enough freakin cash.
Anyways, I sell vehicles to help people, not to get rich.
I do. And I won't. Give me a break with the "I sell to help people". If you really wanted to "help" people, give it away for free or sell it for .5 cpu. Like you said, you're not trying to get rich, you only want to "help" people. Whats next, turning water to wine? ....you holy crusader you. /claps
If I mine large quanitities of high SR resources, and I can sell them in the open market easily and quickly for 5 cpu (in higher volumesI might add)and possibly even higher cpudepending on what the other stats are, why would I bother making a swoop? I'm not trying to be rich. I'm also not paying to play a game so others benefit from my labour and I get squat. Where is the logic behind making more money on SELLING THE RESOURCES than making the bike? It doesn't make sense. Period.
It's your $$$ to SOE every month, so you play the game as you seem fit. However, that being said, it is of my opinionthat anyone who thinks 5 cpu for a bike is too much is a clueless fool.
Also, although you are right that it doesn't matter on quality in terms of repair costs - 100 HAM costs the same no matter the quality of the bike is-what you failed to mention is that a high quality bike means that you have to visit the garage LESS often. That convenience more than justifies the cost of a higher priced bike. As well, a higher quality bike reduces the chances of it being incapacitated.
As for new players. Any new player can afford an X34 speeder. I did. And I paid 20K for it at the time because it had the quality % on it. My next bike was a swoop, when I had more money.
Keaka26
Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:45 am
#29
Haha, on Bloodfin, average prices seem to actually be 20-25k per swoop these days anyways. I swear, some people are sooo cheap. I sell those X-34s at 12k, and people try to haggle me down to like 7K. I just have to laugh. Funny thing is they ALWAYS say , "I have someone who can make it for me for 7K." I say, "Either youre getting a favor, youre lying, or the person selling is a moron. Which is it?" Then I usually go on to explain to the (usually a noob) person how much resources it takes to make one. And they usually say "OMG, now I know why they sell for so much $$$!"
Anyways, to the above poster...Well, you're just a greedy **edit**. I mean really,can there be such a thing as to help people out? No one has ever given you anything for free or cheap before? No wonder you sound so self centered. Karma man...Even if its not, when you help people out, many times they remember.
For example, I met someone the other day, who was an old school launch player, who had just returned from a long break on the game. He asked me for some help, and we talked for a while about whats new in the game and whatnot. About a week later, he dropped me a tip for 100,000 credits. The only thing I gave him, besides an update was a reinforced combat staff lol.
Point is, good deeds and just being nice does have rewards. Not every payout comes in the way of 5 creds per unit sales. Not to mention, you can barely sell the things at that price anyways. You obviously know nothing about economy either, since if just about everyone else sells at around 3cpu, chances are, the guy selling for 5 wont get too much business.
PurpleWarrior
Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:51 am
#30
My wife sells them on Chimaera:
X34 - 8.5K
Speeder - 12K
Swoop - 16K
Sevardos
Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:57 am
#31
Keaka26 wrote:
Haha, on Bloodfin, average prices seem to actually be 20-25k per swoop these days anyways. I swear, some people are sooo cheap. I sell those X-34s at 12k, and people try to haggle me down to like 7K. I just have to laugh. Funny thing is they ALWAYS say , "I have someone who can make it for me for 7K." I say, "Either youre getting a favor, youre lying, or the person selling is a moron. Which is it?" Then I usually go on to explain to the (usually a noob) person how much resources it takes to make one. And they usually say "OMG, now I know why they sell for so much $$$!"
Anyways, to the above poster...Well, you're just a greedy **edit**. I mean really,can there be such a thing as to help people out? No one has ever given you anything for free or cheap before? No wonder you sound so self centered. Karma man...Even if its not, when you help people out, many times they remember.
For example, I met someone the other day, who was an old school launch player, who had just returned from a long break on the game. He asked me for some help, and we talked for a while about whats new in the game and whatnot. About a week later, he dropped me a tip for 100,000 credits. The only thing I gave him, besides an update was a reinforced combat staff lol.
Point is, good deeds and just being nice does have rewards. Not every payout comes in the way of 5 creds per unit sales. Not to mention, you can barely sell the things at that price anyways. You obviously know nothing about economy either, since if just about everyone else sells at around 3cpu, chances are, the guy selling for 5 wont get too much business.
What the heck does that have to do with what I was talking about genius? Did I say that people are excluded from doing good deeds? Have I personally given out free bikes on occassion to new players? ... yes.I was commenting on claiming that people price that way to 'help' people - that isa load of dung. If you truely want to be the good deed holy crusader, then go all the way and do it for cost. Don't try to use that argument to hide the fact that you're just another clueless lemming who can't grasp the simple concept that you're selling the bike cheaper than you can sell the resources to make it. I'm going to repeat this .... you're selling the final product for less than selling the resources to make it. One more time so that it all sinks in ... the resources you use to make the bike? Ya, well ... sell them on the open market and you'll make more money than if you used those same resources to make the bike and then sold it.
High SR resources sell for more than 3 cpu. If you're using grind resources then thats a different topic - you're also making sub-par quality bikes. In fact, I'm betting you're not even telling the person it's low quality. And I've already mentioned the value of high quality bikes in my previous response.
I'm the guy selling for 5 cpu (37.5K swoops)- and I sell a lot of bikes at 90-95% quality using resources that are 900+ SR.The only time I sell for less is if its a failure and I'll drop the price to 20K so that I can unload it quickly.
I probably average about 15(15 to 20) swoopsa week (excluding AV21's). If you're selling at 20K price point, you'd have to sell almost twice as many bikes to match the same revenue in sales however,yes - you are selling more bikes. Lets compare shall we genius?
I sell 15 @ 37.5K. - profit, 30K (rounded)
You sell35 @ 20K - profit 12.5K (rounded)
- lets assume, for sake of argument, resources cost 1 cpu which includes a combination of mined and bought resources
Now, you're right - you are selling more bikes than I am (35 vs 15).Who's making more revenue? You are again - I will sell 562.5K worth of bikes versus your 700K. Looks like you're doing better than I am doesn't it. But wait, what about theprofit margin? Lets see... I'll make 450K versus your .... 437.5K.
Therefore, you're having to sell 2.3 bikes to my 1 bike to make the same profit. Who doesn't haven't the grasp on economics? (btw, its not really an economics discussion and more market pricing profitability & price elasticity models, but lets not confuse things).
You're confusingeconomy with the panic,lemming factor thats happens in every gaming economy. Artisan A has bikes on their vendor at 5 cpu. While walking through Coronet,Artisan Asees some yahoo /yelling bikes at a ridicoulous price. Artisan A panics, runs to his vendors, drops all his prices, runs back to Coronet and starts yelling the same price (or lower) as the yahoo. Artisan C see's both yahoos and runs to be a yahoo to. That doesn't change the fact that if Artisan A didn't panic, he'd still sell roughly the same amount of bikes.
After all that, lets not forget the fact that I can sell the resources (high SR) for 5 cpu and not even bother making the bikes in the first place.
As I mentioned previously, its your $$$ to SOE and free to do whatever you wish. I was commenting more on the BS holier-than-though notion that was floating around that they do it to 'help' people.Its more that they just want to sell fast and either have (a) no clue whether they can make more or (b) think they actually ARE making more credits that way.
One more thing, the market for bikes is NOT new players anyways. Since the repair exploitfix, I sell mostly to existing players who keep getting bikes incapacitated and want higher quality for that reason.
Flynn_Nomad
Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:12 am
#32
I sell a "swoop a day" here on Lok...
Prices: (over 90% I'll add 2 or 3k to the price)
Landspeeder : 15,000- 18,000
Speederbike: 25,000- 28,000
Swoop: 35,000- 38,000
10k increment rule.
If my swoops are too much for you, buy a Landspeeder.
(stick together Artisans)
Bim_Azul
Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:37 am
#33
I run Crazy Serji's Vehicles in Port Agrilat, Corellia on Bloodfin. I purposefully sell cheap so I can complain about being poor. My rides are upper 80s in quality, as to use better materials is typically a waste.
Landspeeders: 14K
Speederbikes: 17K
Swoops: 20K
I get about a sale a day, which for me means it's diufficult to keep stocked.
Makkari
Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:15 pm
#34
I sell them for 30k / 40k / 50k.
So many players come to buy multiple vehicles that I've started buying them from the people with the low prices and reselling them.
I only wish I could devote the large stacks of resources required to build them to be able to keep up with the demand.I want to thank you all for setting up my wholesale supply chain.
number02
Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:17 pm
#35
im a master artisan and a droid engineer and the average price for vehicles are about 8k for landspeeder 13k for speederbike and 18k for a swoop. thats how much i chargeand i make plenty of money.
Bugbait
Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:05 pm
#36
Selling vehicles at 3cpu or less is a poor business strategy. Yes, you are making a profit but there are easier ways to make the same or greater profit. Most elite crafters happily contract at3cpu to 5cpu (on Valcyn) for in shift resources. That's more profit than what most people here are reporting and there's no additional expense for vendors or factories. I don't make vehicles for this very reason. I don't even consider making crafted goods of any kind for less than 15cpu return, usually 20cpu+.
During a singleshift you can easily harvest 1 million resources. If you turn these into vehicles that's roughly 110 Swoops (assuming 9000 units of metal, I can't remember how many they actually use). At 5 vehicles a day (higher than what most people here have reported) that's 22 days to get 2cpu to 3cpu return and that's not subtracting factory costs yet. You could just as easily take the same 1 million resources and sell them to an elite crafter for 3cpu or more in a matter of hours or days at worst. Now, which is better?
RealDarius
Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:34 am
#37
"Im on the server Bria, can anyone shed light on how much I should charge for the vehicles (wheather on the Bria server or not) please?
Also I mastered Artisan the other night and itsaid on my skill tree that I can make an X-34 but I cant seem to find it to craft in my weapon, droid and general crafting tool, though the speeder and the swoop bike is there??!!"
Hello Nageek,
I sell X-34s, speederbikes, and swoops for 20k, 25k, and 30k in Chilastra. Most of the time the experimentation success rating is 90%+. If they are in the 80-89% I take 5k off the price.
You need to be close to a crafting station to see the X-34 schematic active.
Good luck,
-D
Knives10
Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:03 am
#38
On Lowca the prices have dropped to half
Landspeeders - 7k
Speederbikes - 12k
Swoops - 16k