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Thread: Min And Max Damage Melee Powerups..
Emotemaster wrote:
Cobacca1 wrote:
Emotemaster wrote:
Animi wrote:
Cobacca1 wrote:
First of all, this is the first thread that I can ever recall posting about Max/Min melee power ups and I am not hijacking anyone's thread. He asked a question, and I answered it with the correct answer, they ARE NOT CRAFTABLE... second of all, prove it and I will never post again about it.
It certainly hasn't been possible since Jan 04, I can vouch for that since that is when I started my Master Artisan.
Look, don't let these non-crafting idiots get you down. They all think it's possible but they have NEVER crafted them before so they would never be able to tell you for sure.
Who're these non-crafting idiots that only think it's possible? Let me scroll up and see if I see any...
Deny it all you want guys..Screenshot
Message Edited by Emotemaster on 03-19-2005 05:21 PM
Hey Einstein... that's a RANGED weapon power-up that you are showing there... I do beleive that you just pwned yourself noob.
Whooops.noobWrong screen. Sorry. Here's the real one.. and I just crafted it today...
If i'm reading that correctly, the primary stat there is Point blank. Min damage is secondary and Max is tertiary. So if you maxed out experimentation with good resources on that PuP. You'd get ~+30% point blank and ~+15% Min and Max damage combined?
The original post asked if he can get Min or Max and the Primary stat right?
Just seeking clarification ... cuz all you old guys are confusing me and the issue.
I've been only at this game for about 3 months so yeah I am a noob....
Are you bi-polar? You have been arguing with people that have been stating this for the whole thread... now you come out and admit that you can't get Max Damage as the primary attribute and Min Damage as the secondary attribute on the same Power up... I just don't get it.
Nobody was saying that you couldn't get both min and max on the same power up. We were just saying that you will never have 33% Max, or 33% Min etc...
Message Edited by Cobacca1 on 03-20-2005 02:54 PM
Cobacca1 wrote:
Emotemaster wrote:
Animi wrote:
Cobacca1 wrote:
First of all, this is the first thread that I can ever recall posting about Max/Min melee power ups and I am not hijacking anyone's thread. He asked a question, and I answered it with the correct answer, they ARE NOT CRAFTABLE... second of all, prove it and I will never post again about it.
It certainly hasn't been possible since Jan 04, I can vouch for that since that is when I started my Master Artisan.
Look, don't let these non-crafting idiots get you down. They all think it's possible but they have NEVER crafted them before so they would never be able to tell you for sure.
Who're these non-crafting idiots that only think it's possible? Let me scroll up and see if I see any...
Deny it all you want guys..Screenshot
Message Edited by Emotemaster on 03-19-2005 05:21 PM
Hey Einstein... that's a RANGED weapon power-up that you are showing there... I do beleive that you just pwned yourself noob.
Wrong screen. Sorry. Here's the real one.. and I just crafted it today...noob
Cobacca1 wrote:Are you bi-polar? You have been arguing with people that have been stating this for the whole thread... now you come out and admit that you can't get Max Damage as the primary attribute and Min Damage as the secondary attribute on the same Power up... I just don't get it.
Nobody was saying that you couldn't get both min and max on the same power up. We were just saying that you will never have 33% Max, or 33% Min etc...
Message Edited by Cobacca1 on 03-20-2005 02:54 PM
I'm not talking about the primary attribute here. I'm talking about a max +16 / min +8 melee pup.
And I actually managed to make one today, my factory is coocking them up right now..
Cobacca1 wrote:
Are you bi-polar? You have been arguing with people that have been stating this for the whole thread... now you come out and admit that you can't get Max Damage as the primary attribute and Min Damage as the secondary attribute on the same Power up... I just don't get it.
Nobody was saying that you couldn't get both min and max on the same power up. We were just saying that you will never have 33% Max, or 33% Min etc...
Message Edited by Cobacca1 on 03-20-2005 02:54 PM
yeah 3rd post in this thread....i actually thought the entire thread was referring to primary stat only but the original poster didn't specify.
so i guess the conclusion is that no, you cannot get those as the primarystat in a melee pup but you can forsecondary and tertiary
Emotemaster wrote:
Maybe I read it wrong; but I thought someone said you can not get min and max on the same powerup.
Go back and read the posts. No one hasever said it was impossible to get min and maxor min/max and speed on a melee powerup - just that none of those three could be the PRIMARY stat modifier. Please be more careful next time.
Message Edited by Animi on 03-21-2005 08:21 AM
id also like to point out a few things
first, you only need to be a +10 artisan (4400) to max experiment powerups
+11 and +12 do nothing as there are only 10 experimentation slots. you might rescue a powerup from a crit exp fail but it wont be as good as it could be (i dont even bother continuing) ive crafted over 70,000 powerups since 7/3/03. despite taking two 2 month breaks. i craft them, sell them and use them. ive done it with my main toon (trando +10 arty) and my human alt (+11 arty). ive seen no benefit beyon +10 (standard for 4400 arty).
second, i use mineral and chemical over 990 OQ.
anything less will not produce the best possible maximum exp value. unless you got lucky or MAYBE in a research city (which i have tested and didnt see a difference during the time i spent there).
my best primary stat max is 33.16% (ive seen 33.5% max - someone told me it involved a crit fail but i couldnt reproduce it)
my best secondary stat max is 16.33%
typically, i spawn a third stat between 5-8%
occasionally, i spawn a fourth stat between 3-4%
rarely have i gotten a fifth stat...but it has occured.
oh...BTW...max damage and min damage do NOT spawn as PRIMARY stats on MELEE powerups
feel free to PM me if you have any questions
Cygnusaa wrote:
...you might rescue a powerup from a crit exp fail but it wont be as good as it could be (i dont even bother continuing)
Cygnusaa wrote:
[stuff edited for brevity]
my best primary stat max is 33.16% (ive seen 33.5% max - someone told me it involved a crit fail but i couldnt reproduce it)
my best secondary stat max is 16.33%
typically, i spawn a third stat between 5-8%
occasionally, i spawn a fourth stat between 3-4%
rarely have i gotten a fifth stat...but it has occured.
oh...BTW...max damage and min damage do NOT spawn as PRIMARY stats on MELEE powerups
feel free to PM me if you have any questions
Animi wrote:
Cygnusaa wrote:
...you might rescue a powerup from a crit exp fail but it wont be as good as it could be (i dont even bother continuing)
You may be missing out on some really good powerups by not continuing.
I'm a 14 point master artisan and I've found that I can get really good stats on powerups that experience a critical failure somewhere during the experimentation phase.Usually, getting a critical failure means you can get the third and fourth stats up over the typical 5-8% that you're usually stuck with, but you can only do it if you have more than 10 points (and sometimes it takes me all 14 to get the stats maxed out).
Just the other day, after a crit failure, Imanaged to"salvage" aranged PUP with 33% Max Dmg/16% Min Dmg/10% Max Range/8% PB range.
i dont have 14 pts to attempt what you are telling me...so i was refering only to a frame of reference related to +10 or +11 arty...it would be nice to try...
have to say im surprised that you obtained those results as i was under the impression that each time a stat appears...its max % is half of what appeared before it...and that is my experience...i did wind up with a few oddballs like 24/10/10 but no one wants those...
oh well..too late now with CU around corner...sorry i missed your post ...forgot to sticky the thread
Slysix wrote:
Cygnusaa wrote:
[stuff edited for brevity]
my best primary stat max is 33.16% (ive seen 33.5% max - someone told me it involved a crit fail but i couldnt reproduce it)
my best secondary stat max is 16.33%
typically, i spawn a third stat between 5-8%
occasionally, i spawn a fourth stat between 3-4%
rarely have i gotten a fifth stat...but it has occured.
oh...BTW...max damage and min damage do NOT spawn as PRIMARY stats on MELEE powerups
feel free to PM me if you have any questions
I found you get more chances of the Tertiary, Quadriary(gotten this rarely), and well Iwon't know what to call the 5th extrastat(never been able to get that)to pop up if you experiment one block at at time. (mind you there is more chances for you to fail experimentation). But i you do fail an experimentationyou have a chance to recover and make a cool PuP as usually you do end up with a Tertiary stat enhancement.
yes...that is correct...learned that so long ago i usually forgot to mention it when discussing pups or giving advice...
i usually go 1 block at a time or 2 blocks at a time with a stragler at the end...