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Thummp
Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:01 pm
#14



TheRetardFoundation wrote:
That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?

I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...

MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...





Hey retard,
Lots of people, myself included, took a lot more time than you deserve to answer your questions. We mentioned that Jedi takes more skill points, that we had to master lots of OTHER professions in addition to yours, that we had to grind while being hunted by BH, that we have to suffer HUGE exp losses when we die, that our weapons are MUCH more expensive than yours...and that we have to grind a lot more to be Jedi.

Every single one of your numerous questions were answered by a bunch of different people. Don't come whining back here to the BH forum that we all gave you the same answer because that is provably false. You left the Jedi boards with the same thoughts because you either did not read the responses or you did not understand them.

The fact that lots of people grind towards a Jedi does not mean that you have to. But do not begrudge the advantages that the grinders get for all their work. We do work harder than you and we do take more risks and we should be rewarded for it.

BTW, the BH grind is significantly tougher than many of the other fighting profs. I know because I have done them all. As a reward, you get some GREAT specials and you get to take missions on other players. How would you feel if brawlers wrote a post like yours here?

--Thummp



There is no change that SOE could make that would not cause people to protest. Whether they are nerfing the overpowered or giving love to the under developed, whether the change is small, or far reaching, someone somewhere will complain, protest, call it a 'slap in the face' and start a petition.
darkmeh
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:09 pm
#15






Kelko wrote:





darkmeh wrote:




Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:



Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:







TheRetardFoundation wrote: That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?


They have been been using that time to get that xp toward getting to Jedi, so no, your time is not the same as theirs. I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...


Actually, the fact they can potentially lose a lot of xp (relative to Jedi level, of course a near knight will brush it off, but a new Jedi without master sabers gets hit really hard) makes it a very large risk, because that is one buff session, one day, one week, or even more of their time they'll have to spend regrinding that lost xp. MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...


No, you don't. The DEVs have hinted that they will be balancing Jedi according to the size of Jedi population, so it won't be Jedi or bust, the DEVs won't let behind the other professions. It's pretty obvious that if they put in all of that design time into all 33 of the other professions, they aren't just going to throw them away for just a single profession.






I didn't mean to offend you if I did, but that's how it is. MMORPGs are based on time and effort, so it only makes sense if Jedi takes more work, effort, and risk to accomplish a high level of skill, it would be given a greater reward.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 06:06 PM



I disagree with most of your responses. Nobody forced them to play Jedi. They chose it of free will just like the rest of us chose our professions of free will. That does not make their effort any more grandiose nor does it make their time put in any more "special" than any other professions. If they don't like the process of becoming or negative consequenses of being a Jedi then quit the profession, plain and simple.




That's a terrible way of thinking about it. How about this...


"No one forced you to play bounty hunter, so if you're weaker than a kreetle, you shouldn't complain and post thoughts on this forum with ideas to improve it, but rather change professions completely, plain and simple."





The only problem with your statement is that I have never placed any posts on these forums about how I am weaker than a kreetle, muck muck, harbinger, Jedi (i'll let you pick) or anything. If you don't believe me then just click on my forum name and check all the posts placed by me.




That statement wasn't about you specifically. Actually, the statement was just an example of another profession under the mentality you had towards the Jedi profession, which was "not a terrible way of thinking." I do not believe that BHs actually complain about being weaker than a kreetle, but I was saying that if they were, then that would be the way you would suggest to handle the situation according to your proir statement about Jedi.


And I don't see why they shouldn't get a better reward for working harder. The system you are implying to be a better one would be very similar to communism, where everyone gets the equal amount of reward, regardless of who did the most or least amount of work. That didn't fly in the real world, and shouldn't here, either.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 07:47 PM






The reward is obtaining the highest status possible for your given profession. Not to be able to walk around and say that your effort was any better. I put just as much effort and care into my character as anyone else,anyone, and because I chose my profession I will not complain that it is weaker or not as good as say a Jedi. Just as if I were to play a Jedi I would not complain that I take an XP loss on death or that I had yo grind through 30+ professions to get there, nor would I come to the forums stating that my effort was a greater one. Some of these people on these forums act as if they were forced to play their profession. "Well at least you didn't have to master 30+ professions or take a 200K XP loss when you die", no I don't on either account and that is because I CHOSE a different profession.




I'm not sure who's saying they made a better effort, but Jedi did have to put an effort toward a goal with a greater reward power-wise. If you want more power, you'll have to sacrifice more time and work toward Jedi,and will have to deal with the risks that are there.


The original poster believes that if you put as much time into the game as someone who grinded toward Jedi, that you should be able to get Jedi anyway. Or if you put as much time and effortinto the gamewith a BH, for example, that you should be just as powerful as a Jedi who spent the same amount.This would completely defeat the purpose of different professions, making the game very dull.


The rule is : Effort and time toward a very high goal = very high reward


And not : Effort and time in the game = same reward as someone who worked toward a higher goal


If you don't like the restrictions of your profession, move to another until the DEVs fix it to where you do like it, and/or even try to give suggestions on your profession's forum, or accept the fact that it's for the sake of balance. Don't create pointless threads filled with generalizations and whines stating ideas that make no logical sense at all.


I'm nottrying to offend anyone here. I'm just trying to show how this idea is wrong.




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Neither Jedi nor Sith...
Simply Cancelled
(nnnnsnn.ggggggggggggggggg)
And so I leave with a post count of perfect vision...




RahKayne
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:27 pm
#16

and will have to deal with the risks that are there. ---- so true, but right now its not happening.


The original poster believes that if you put as much time into the game as someone who grinded toward Jedi, that you should be able to get Jedi anyway. Or if you put as much time and effort into the game with a BH, for example, that you should be just as powerful as a Jedi who spent the same amount. This would completely defeat the purpose of different professions, making the game very dull.

The rule is : Effort and time toward a very high goal = very high reward

And not : Effort and time in the game = same reward as someone who worked toward a higher goal

---- This is all anulled by the fact of continuity. First of all jedi aren't supposed to be parading everywhere, this time in the SW Universe jedi are near extinct. Hence the Devs make it take a long TIME to get to and master this prof; so everyone will not be a jedi. (although its pretty close) However just because it takes longer doesnt mean its a higher goal. Jedi are powerful however you chose to be a jedi, and jedi are supposed to be rare, however there a longer time meaning to offset everyone from being a jedi. Meaning eventhough it takes longer to get jedi, DOESNT mean you have a higher reward. In essence your reward is you being a jedi (although jedi do get some pretty cool bonuses) YOU choose to be a jedi and decided to spend that time to become one. In a nutshell, jedi are supposed to be rare in this time, it takes a long time to become a jedi to offset everyone from being a jedi, therefore your effort and time although longer is rewarding because you are a jedi and NOT because you spent a long time doing it (that is just a deferment (yes I repeated that))



If you don't like the restrictions of your profession, move to another until the DEVs fix it to where you do like it, and/or even try to give suggestions on your profession's forum, or accept the fact that it's for the sake of balance ----- Umm first jedi I personally consider a after-profession. The other profession where there from the beginning, so in servicing professions those should get priority and not a new prof in which there are supposed to be few players in. So the regular prof SHOULD NOT have to wait as "certain" newer prof have to wait.

Don't create pointless threads filled with generalizations and whines stating ideas that make no logical sense at all. ---- This is forum is a discussion between bh's and between people, none are pointless especially if it is a high priority matter, or a dumb question from a newb, or between angry or inquisitive people. If you dont like the threads then dont read them, stay in your own.


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Boutmy3
Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:28 pm
#17






darkmeh wrote:




Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:



Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:







TheRetardFoundation wrote: That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?


They have been beenusing that time to get that xp toward getting to Jedi, so no, your time is not the same as theirs. I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...


Actually, the fact they can potentially lose a lot of xp (relative to Jedi level, of course a near knight will brush it off, but a new Jedi without master sabers gets hitreally hard) makes it a very large risk, because that isone buff session,one day, one week, or even more of their time they'll have to spend regrinding that lost xp. MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...


No, you don't. The DEVs have hinted that they will be balancing Jedi according to the size of Jedi population, so it won't be Jedi or bust, the DEVs won't let behind the other professions. It's pretty obvious that if they put in all of that design time into all 33 of the other professions, they aren't just going to throw them away for just a single profession.






I didn't mean to offend you if I did, but that's how it is. MMORPGs are based on time and effort, so it only makes sense if Jedi takes more work, effort, and riskto accomplish a high level of skill, it would be given a greater reward.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 06:06 PM



I disagree with most of your responses. Nobody forced them to play Jedi. They chose it of free will just like the rest of us chose our professions of free will. That does not make their effort any more grandiose nor does it make their time put in any more "special" than any other professions. If they don't like the process of becomingor negative consequenses of being a Jedi then quit the profession, plain and simple.




That's a terrible way of thinking about it. How about this...


"No one forced you to play bounty hunter, so if you're weaker than a kreetle, you shouldn't complain and post thoughts on this forum with ideas to improve it, but rather change professions completely, plain and simple."





The only problem with your statement is that I have never placed any posts on these forums about how I am weaker than a kreetle, muck muck, harbinger, Jedi (i'll let you pick) or anything. If you don't believe me then just click on my forum name and check all the posts placed by me.




That statement wasn't about you specifically. Actually, the statement was just an example of another profession under the mentality you had towards the Jedi profession, which was "not a terrible way of thinking." I do not believe that BHs actually complain about being weaker than a kreetle, but I was saying that if they were, then that would be the way you would suggest to handle the situation according to your proir statement about Jedi.


And I don't see why they shouldn't get a better reward for working harder. The system you are implying to be a betterone would be very similar to communism, where everyone gets the equal amount of reward, regardless of who did the most or least amount of work. That didn't fly in the real world, and shouldn't here, either.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 07:47 PM






Heh...this isn't the real world now is it?





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Kelko
Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:20 am
#18



darkmeh wrote:


Kelko wrote:


darkmeh wrote:

Kelko wrote:

darkmeh wrote:

Kelko wrote:

darkmeh wrote:


TheRetardFoundation wrote: That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?

They have been been using that time to get that xp toward getting to Jedi, so no, your time is not the same as theirs. I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...

Actually, the fact they can potentially lose a lot of xp (relative to Jedi level, of course a near knight will brush it off, but a new Jedi without master sabers gets hit really hard) makes it a very large risk, because that is one buff session, one day, one week, or even more of their time they'll have to spend regrinding that lost xp. MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...

No, you don't. The DEVs have hinted that they will be balancing Jedi according to the size of Jedi population, so it won't be Jedi or bust, the DEVs won't let behind the other professions. It's pretty obvious that if they put in all of that design time into all 33 of the other professions, they aren't just going to throw them away for just a single profession.


I didn't mean to offend you if I did, but that's how it is. MMORPGs are based on time and effort, so it only makes sense if Jedi takes more work, effort, and risk to accomplish a high level of skill, it would be given a greater reward.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 06:06 PM


I disagree with most of your responses. Nobody forced them to play Jedi. They chose it of free will just like the rest of us chose our professions of free will. That does not make their effort any more grandiose nor does it make their time put in any more "special" than any other professions. If they don't like the process of becoming or negative consequenses of being a Jedi then quit the profession, plain and simple.

That's a terrible way of thinking about it. How about this...

"No one forced you to play bounty hunter, so if you're weaker than a kreetle, you shouldn't complain and post thoughts on this forum with ideas to improve it, but rather change professions completely, plain and simple."


The only problem with your statement is that I have never placed any posts on these forums about how I am weaker than a kreetle, muck muck, harbinger, Jedi (i'll let you pick) or anything. If you don't believe me then just click on my forum name and check all the posts placed by me.

That statement wasn't about you specifically. Actually, the statement was just an example of another profession under the mentality you had towards the Jedi profession, which was "not a terrible way of thinking." I do not believe that BHs actually complain about being weaker than a kreetle, but I was saying that if they were, then that would be the way you would suggest to handle the situation according to your proir statement about Jedi.
And I don't see why they shouldn't get a better reward for working harder. The system you are implying to be a better one would be very similar to communism, where everyone gets the equal amount of reward, regardless of who did the most or least amount of work. That didn't fly in the real world, and shouldn't here, either.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 07:47 PM





The reward is obtaining the highest status possible for your given profession. Not to be able to walk around and say that your effort was any better. I put just as much effort and care into my character as anyone else,anyone, and because I chose my profession I will not complain that it is weaker or not as good as say a Jedi. Just as if I were to play a Jedi I would not complain that I take an XP loss on death or that I had yo grind through 30+ professions to get there, nor would I come to the forums stating that my effort was a greater one. Some of these people on these forums act as if they were forced to play their profession. "Well at least you didn't have to master 30+ professions or take a 200K XP loss when you die", no I don't on either account and that is because I CHOSE a different profession.

I'm not sure who's saying they made a better effort, but Jedi did have to put an effort toward a goal with a greater reward power-wise. If you want more power, you'll have to sacrifice more time and work toward Jedi, and will have to deal with the risks that are there.

The original poster believes that if you put as much time into the game as someone who grinded toward Jedi, that you should be able to get Jedi anyway. Or if you put as much time and effort into the game with a BH, for example, that you should be just as powerful as a Jedi who spent the same amount. This would completely defeat the purpose of different professions, making the game very dull.

The rule is : Effort and time toward a very high goal = very high reward

And not : Effort and time in the game = same reward as someone who worked toward a higher goal

If you don't like the restrictions of your profession, move to another until the DEVs fix it to where you do like it, and/or even try to give suggestions on your profession's forum, or accept the fact that it's for the sake of balance. Don't create pointless threads filled with generalizations and whines stating ideas that make no logical sense at all.

I'm not trying to offend anyone here. I'm just trying to show how this idea is wrong.






Hmm.. Yet another person trying to force there ideas (or perception of others ideas) onto the gaming world. Just because you percieve this game should be played this way does not make it so. And yes, time time put into this game is just as important and my profession deserves the same attention from the devs as anyone elses. Time and effort are fine, however you forget one thing my friend, we all pay the same amount of money and deserve every bit of the attention as anyone elses profession. The fact that we all pay the same amount to play (or more to the point that we pay to play) negates the point you are trying to make. Just for the record, no I don't think all professions should be on the same level, that is why if you check all the posts I made, you will not find any where I have complained that a BH is weaker than a kreetle or whatever, because I chose this profession. That is why I can make the statement that if the Jedi don't like the idea that it takes a year (example) to attain the highest level as opposed to other professions taking six months, or that you suffer the xp loss at death, etc., then don't play the profession. We all chose are professions, now live with them or play another.



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Narcoleptic_LTD
Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:59 am
#19






Kelko wrote:





darkmeh wrote:






Kelko wrote:





darkmeh wrote:




Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:



Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:







TheRetardFoundation wrote: That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?


They have been been using that time to get that xp toward getting to Jedi, so no, your time is not the same as theirs. I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...


Actually, the fact they can potentially lose a lot of xp (relative to Jedi level, of course a near knight will brush it off, but a new Jedi without master sabers gets hit really hard) makes it a very large risk, because that is one buff session, one day, one week, or even more of their time they'll have to spend regrinding that lost xp. MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...


No, you don't. The DEVs have hinted that they will be balancing Jedi according to the size of Jedi population, so it won't be Jedi or bust, the DEVs won't let behind the other professions. It's pretty obvious that if they put in all of that design time into all 33 of the other professions, they aren't just going to throw them away for just a single profession.






I didn't mean to offend you if I did, but that's how it is. MMORPGs are based on time and effort, so it only makes sense if Jedi takes more work, effort, and risk to accomplish a high level of skill, it would be given a greater reward.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 06:06 PM



I disagree with most of your responses. Nobody forced them to play Jedi. They chose it of free will just like the rest of us chose our professions of free will. That does not make their effort any more grandiose nor does it make their time put in any more "special" than any other professions. If they don't like the process of becoming or negative consequenses of being a Jedi then quit the profession, plain and simple.




That's a terrible way of thinking about it. How about this...


"No one forced you to play bounty hunter, so if you're weaker than a kreetle, you shouldn't complain and post thoughts on this forum with ideas to improve it, but rather change professions completely, plain and simple."





The only problem with your statement is that I have never placed any posts on these forums about how I am weaker than a kreetle, muck muck, harbinger, Jedi (i'll let you pick) or anything. If you don't believe me then just click on my forum name and check all the posts placed by me.




That statement wasn't about you specifically. Actually, the statement was just an example of another profession under the mentality you had towards the Jedi profession, which was "not a terrible way of thinking." I do not believe that BHs actually complain about being weaker than a kreetle, but I was saying that if they were, then that would be the way you would suggest to handle the situation according to your proir statement about Jedi.


And I don't see why they shouldn't get a better reward for working harder. The system you are implying to be a better one would be very similar to communism, where everyone gets the equal amount of reward, regardless of who did the most or least amount of work. That didn't fly in the real world, and shouldn't here, either.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 07:47 PM






The reward is obtaining the highest status possible for your given profession. Not to be able to walk around and say that your effort was any better. I put just as much effort and care into my character as anyone else,anyone, and because I chose my profession I will not complain that it is weaker or not as good as say a Jedi. Just as if I were to play a Jedi I would not complain that I take an XP loss on death or that I had yo grind through 30+ professions to get there, nor would I come to the forums stating that my effort was a greater one. Some of these people on these forums act as if they were forced to play their profession. "Well at least you didn't have to master 30+ professions or take a 200K XP loss when you die", no I don't on either account and that is because I CHOSE a different profession.




I'm not sure who's saying they made a better effort, but Jedi did have to put an effort toward a goal with a greater reward power-wise. If you want more power, you'll have to sacrifice more time and work toward Jedi, and will have to deal with the risks that are there.


The original poster believes that if you put as much time into the game as someone who grinded toward Jedi, that you should be able to get Jedi anyway. Or if you put as much time and effort into the game with a BH, for example, that you should be just as powerful as a Jedi who spent the same amount. This would completely defeat the purpose of different professions, making the game very dull.


The rule is : Effort and time toward a very high goal = very high reward


And not : Effort and time in the game = same reward as someone who worked toward a higher goal


If you don't like the restrictions of your profession, move to another until the DEVs fix it to where you do like it, and/or even try to give suggestions on your profession's forum, or accept the fact that it's for the sake of balance. Don't create pointless threads filled with generalizations and whines stating ideas that make no logical sense at all.


I'm not trying to offend anyone here. I'm just trying to show how this idea is wrong.








Hmm.. Yet another person trying to force there ideas (or perception of others ideas) onto the gaming world. Just because you percieve this game should be played this way does not make it so. And yes, time time put into this game is just as important and my profession deserves the same attention from the devs as anyone elses. Time and effort are fine, however you forget one thing my friend, we all pay the same amount of money and deserve every bit of the attention as anyone elses profession. The fact that we all pay the same amount to play (or more to the point that we pay to play) negates the point you are trying to make. Just for the record, no I don't think all professions should be on the same level, that is why if you check all the posts I made, you will not find any where I have complained that a BH is weaker than a kreetle or whatever, because I chose this profession. That is why I can make the statement that if the Jedi don't like the idea that it takes a year (example) to attain the highest level as opposed to other professions taking six months, or that you suffer the xp loss at death, etc., then don't play the profession. We all chose are professions, now live with them or play another.



Holy Crap that's alot of quotes!!!




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MaxM
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:02 am
#20

I'm still a forum n00b how do you quote?

is it <quote>text<quote>



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MaxM
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:03 am
#21

i guess not



Madox & Redux Darkdust =BOS since 04/04=
Narcoleptic_LTD
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:08 am
#22






MaxM wrote:

I'm still a forum n00b how do you quote?

is it text








use the little button to the left of the smiley faces looks like a text bubble, it quotes everything of the post you hit reply too



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eyonone
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:25 am
#23

u cna get knight in 2-3 weeks at the geo cave
Natures-Ranger
Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:40 pm
#24



Thummp wrote:


TheRetardFoundation wrote:
We do work harder than you and we do take more risks and we should be rewarded for it.



Well, i work hard every day, log on, hit the terminals to try to make a living on a server where people sell Krayt CDEF Rifles fo millions and money is in charge.. The time i spend online is of my own choice but i see Jedi log on and log out before i do wich means their day online is not as long as mine. So your time working is just as mine, i love to hunt Jedi but sadly even if i kill one its no pay out, no xp (just some 15k that is like getting payed 1$ for working 7 weeks) Well, this post might seem **edit**ed and it might be **edit**ed but that cause i have had a real long day at work and im too tired to even write my whole point of view atm.. So ill take a time out and write it tomorrow, good night /yawn




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Veins that pump with fear, sucking darkest clear. Leading on your deaths construction! "
The Retired Jedi Hunter

skygod99
Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:50 pm
#25






darkmeh wrote:




Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:



Kelko wrote:



darkmeh wrote:







TheRetardFoundation wrote: That any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to " I had to grind for 6 months to get it". I been paying for this game well over 6 months, have probably made more xp then half the hologrinders, yet somehow my xp and time is not the same as theirs?


They have been beenusing that time to get that xp toward getting to Jedi, so no, your time is not the same as theirs. I am curious because I placed abunch of questions of the jedi board and have left with the same thoughts as before, and realy dont understand why now with almost no risk do they want so much, and feel they deserve so much...


Actually, the fact they can potentially lose a lot of xp (relative to Jedi level, of course a near knight will brush it off, but a new Jedi without master sabers gets hitreally hard) makes it a very large risk, because that isone buff session,one day, one week, or even more of their time they'll have to spend regrinding that lost xp. MBH who play knowing how bad they suck with sabre block, but they play for the love of it... maybe I dont get it, maybe I am just sick of the feeling that either jedi or bust... after the patch I feel no normals will be left, only mutant FS freaks... I dunno...


No, you don't. The DEVs have hinted that they will be balancing Jedi according to the size of Jedi population, so it won't be Jedi or bust, the DEVs won't let behind the other professions. It's pretty obvious that if they put in all of that design time into all 33 of the other professions, they aren't just going to throw them away for just a single profession.






I didn't mean to offend you if I did, but that's how it is. MMORPGs are based on time and effort, so it only makes sense if Jedi takes more work, effort, and riskto accomplish a high level of skill, it would be given a greater reward.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 06:06 PM



I disagree with most of your responses. Nobody forced them to play Jedi. They chose it of free will just like the rest of us chose our professions of free will. That does not make their effort any more grandiose nor does it make their time put in any more "special" than any other professions. If they don't like the process of becomingor negative consequenses of being a Jedi then quit the profession, plain and simple.




That's a terrible way of thinking about it. How about this...


"No one forced you to play bounty hunter, so if you're weaker than a kreetle, you shouldn't complain and post thoughts on this forum with ideas to improve it, but rather change professions completely, plain and simple."





The only problem with your statement is that I have never placed any posts on these forums about how I am weaker than a kreetle, muck muck, harbinger, Jedi (i'll let you pick) or anything. If you don't believe me then just click on my forum name and check all the posts placed by me.




That statement wasn't about you specifically. Actually, the statement was just an example of another profession under the mentality you had towards the Jedi profession, which was "not a terrible way of thinking." I do not believe that BHs actually complain about being weaker than a kreetle, but I was saying that if they were, then that would be the way you would suggest to handle the situation according to your proir statement about Jedi.


And I don't see why they shouldn't get a better reward for working harder. The system you are implying to be a betterone would be very similar to communism, where everyone gets the equal amount of reward, regardless of who did the most or least amount of work. That didn't fly in the real world, and shouldn't here, either.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 08-25-2004 07:47 PM






LOL!



Nice post Darkmeh!




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darkmeh
Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:53 pm
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I suppose this issue is all based on opinion.Effortor monthly fee. We'd need an official DEV statement to understand what they intended. My opinion, though, is thatwe pay the monthly fee tocompensate the DEVs forspending time to create updates and fixing bugs(they actually do, contrary to the belief of majority of the playerbase), and if you can't cope with the fact thatcertain professions currently get more attention than others (true or not),that the end-game goal for most people is Jedi, andthat someone whogrinded through more levels has more power than you, thenyou can cancel your account. Eventually, after JTL, the DEVs will begin to focus on the professions a lower amount of players have,and balance everything out. We'll just need patience.


Another opinion I have is that TheRetardFoundationmade this postjust to tick a few people off and start a little flaming and contradiction. He hasn't responded to the thread,so he's probably sitting back and havinga laugh while people argue over a posthe never intended to be constructive.


But just in caseheis a newbie and not just using a new forum account, thenI'll answer his very simple question.


"Why is it that any question to the jedi about why they think they deserve so much power equals to 'I had to grind for 6 months to get it?' "


Well, because they did. Spending 6 months in a game grinding through professions you didn't want todo deserves some recognition.


I'm done here. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, as that was not my intention.


/wave









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Neither Jedi nor Sith...
Simply Cancelled
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And so I leave with a post count of perfect vision...




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