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well im at a loss

i even grabbed new tools out of a crate and tried them thinking maybe my tools decayed but ive only diedonce or twicetimes and ive had my stuff insured....

I find that Bespin helps but Pyrolian Cake is worthless. When I use it alone in Research Centers, I never see an Amazing Success.

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Cobacca1 wrote:

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Cygnusaa wrote:

ok people

ive noticed something else.

my icon for bespin port disappears from my character HAM bar AFTER EVERY EXPERIMENTATION.

this is 5:00 +20 bespin...isnt it supposed to last 5 minutes and give me a pretty darn good chance of at LEAST a great success? lol....considering im also inspiration buffed in a research center. /sigh

what gives?would thisexplain why im not seeing better rolls (scroll back up to review my crafting environment)? i even tried several different cities all with research and 43+ stations with different layouts (ie no overlap)

im at a loss.....

i was making a dl44 xt (yeah i know WS forum) for a great customer ( Ochowo /thumbsup)and i had a crit fail then 2mod successes... not good....when it occured, the icon WAS there throughout

im baffled and getting frustrated

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That explains it.. bespin port only covers 1 experimentation attempt even though it shows a 5 minute timer.

I have just recently started using Bespin Port since I have recently picked up WS and have noticed HUGE improvements in my craftings and experimentations. I've gotten some incredible Power-ups from using it, and I won't take 1 experimentation attempt on an enhanced weapon without it now.

I've never had a huge problem with critical fails since I have been a 14 pt Master Artisan for more than a year now, but the increase in Amazing attempts is astounding... anyone who is not currently using Bespin Port needs to use it. It's amazing stuff.

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pre cu.....bespin portworked for a certain number of uses....mine was 11

i washaving this problem then(not theicon issue themain issue i brought up with this post).

post cu(up to about a few days ago) it was working the same, meaning it wore off after 11 uses but i was still getting the fails and mods (which is my mainproblem)

it was only recently that it startedto drop after one use

and if this is the way it is supposed to work....then it truly is worthless....how can i get confirmation as to how it is supposed to work,first and second, even if it stuck around...why the hell am i getting so many fails and mods?

unbelievable

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AluraLuxxana wrote:
I find that Bespin helps but Pyrolian Cake is worthless. When I use it alone in Research Centers, I never see an Amazing Success.

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i though it was worthless a long time ago since they removed critical assembly failures

or is there still some benefit (or supposed benefit) to continue using it?

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Bviper47 wrote:
Cygnusaa I feel your pain. Everything you have been explaining is happening to me to... I use a 15.00 crafting tool, 42.9 crafting station, Master Artisan (human), 12 Master DE, Research Center, usually inspiration buff, and get good or moderate sucesses with it, while if I don't use it I get great sucesses. I cant figure it out it might be the pre CU bespin port causing this... since mine is pre CU. I even get some critical failure with it which is REALLY sad.

Message Edited by Bviper47 on 06-03-2005 02:19 PM

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thanks man....i hope we both figure it out...for a stat based game there seems to be way too many friggin anomalies lol

i did try different crates of it...pre-cu post-cu whoknowswhen-cu lol... w/e

ok people

ive noticed something else.

my icon for bespin port disappears from my character HAM bar AFTER EVERY EXPERIMENTATION.

this is 5:00 +20 bespin...isnt it supposed to last 5 minutes and give me a pretty darn good chance of at LEAST a great success? lol....considering im also inspiration buffed in a research center. /sigh

what gives?would thisexplain why im not seeing better rolls (scroll back up to review my crafting environment)? i even tried several different cities all with research and 43+ stations with different layouts (ie no overlap)

im at a loss.....

i was making a dl44 xt (yeah i know WS forum) for a great customer ( Ochowo /thumbsup)and i had a crit fail then 2mod successes... not good....when it occured, the icon WAS there throughout

im baffled and getting frustrated

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Cygnusaa wrote:

ok people

ive noticed something else.

my icon for bespin port disappears from my character HAM bar AFTER EVERY EXPERIMENTATION.

this is 5:00 +20 bespin...isnt it supposed to last 5 minutes and give me a pretty darn good chance of at LEAST a great success? lol....considering im also inspiration buffed in a research center. /sigh

what gives?would thisexplain why im not seeing better rolls (scroll back up to review my crafting environment)? i even tried several different cities all with research and 43+ stations with different layouts (ie no overlap)

im at a loss.....

i was making a dl44 xt (yeah i know WS forum) for a great customer ( Ochowo /thumbsup)and i had a crit fail then 2mod successes... not good....when it occured, the icon WAS there throughout

im baffled and getting frustrated

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That explains it.. bespin port only covers 1 experimentation attempt even though it shows a 5 minute timer.

I have just recently started using Bespin Port since I have recently picked up WS and have noticed HUGE improvements in my craftings and experimentations. I've gotten some incredible Power-ups from using it, and I won't take 1 experimentation attempt on an enhanced weapon without it now.

I've never had a huge problem with critical fails since I have been a 14 pt Master Artisan for more than a year now, but the increase in Amazing attempts is astounding... anyone who is not currently using Bespin Port needs to use it. It's amazing stuff.

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Cygnusaa wrote:

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Cobacca1 wrote:

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Cygnusaa wrote:

ok people

ive noticed something else.

my icon for bespin port disappears from my character HAM bar AFTER EVERY EXPERIMENTATION.

this is 5:00 +20 bespin...isnt it supposed to last 5 minutes and give me a pretty darn good chance of at LEAST a great success? lol....considering im also inspiration buffed in a research center. /sigh

what gives?would thisexplain why im not seeing better rolls (scroll back up to review my crafting environment)? i even tried several different cities all with research and 43+ stations with different layouts (ie no overlap)

im at a loss.....

i was making a dl44 xt (yeah i know WS forum) for a great customer ( Ochowo /thumbsup)and i had a crit fail then 2mod successes... not good....when it occured, the icon WAS there throughout

im baffled and getting frustrated

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That explains it.. bespin port only covers 1 experimentation attempt even though it shows a 5 minute timer.

I have just recently started using Bespin Port since I have recently picked up WS and have noticed HUGE improvements in my craftings and experimentations. I've gotten some incredible Power-ups from using it, and I won't take 1 experimentation attempt on an enhanced weapon without it now.

I've never had a huge problem with critical fails since I have been a 14 pt Master Artisan for more than a year now, but the increase in Amazing attempts is astounding... anyone who is not currently using Bespin Port needs to use it. It's amazing stuff.

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pre cu.....bespin portworked for a certain number of uses....mine was 11

i washaving this problem then(not theicon issue themain issue i brought up with this post).

post cu(up to about a few days ago) it was working the same, meaning it wore off after 11 uses but i was still getting the fails and mods (which is my mainproblem)

it was only recently that it startedto drop after one use

and if this is the way it is supposed to work....then it truly is worthless....how can i get confirmation as to how it is supposed to work,first and second, even if it stuck around...why the hell am i getting so many fails and mods?

unbelievable

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- Bespin Port has ALWAYS been for just one experimentaion attempt. You have to retake it for each time you experiment. It was like this pre-CU, it is like this post-CU. Period. It has never been any other way since the initial Chef revamp in March 2004

- The quality rating of your crafting station has never been proven to affect your experimentation success. If a Dev has ever posted otherwise, please point me to that link.

- Sometimes you just get a bad role of the dice.

I craft only 14-amazing schematics. It can take 10 minutes to get it, but Bespin port does help. I think you may have just had bad luck bud.

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ChefVomit wrote:

I craft only 14-amazing schematics. It can take 10 minutes to get it, but Bespin port does help. I think you may have just had bad luck bud.

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AluraLuxxana wrote:

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ChefVomit wrote:

I craft only 14-amazing schematics. It can take 10 minutes to get it, but Bespin port does help. I think you may have just had bad luck bud.

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How do you manage 14 Amazings in a row? I can see 2 or 3, but 14?

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Don't just experiment one point at a time. An amazing when experimenting on 7 points counts as an amazing for all 7 points, for example.

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ChefVomit wrote:

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Cygnusaa wrote:

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Cobacca1 wrote:

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Cygnusaa wrote:

ok people

ive noticed something else.

my icon for bespin port disappears from my character HAM bar AFTER EVERY EXPERIMENTATION.

this is 5:00 +20 bespin...isnt it supposed to last 5 minutes and give me a pretty darn good chance of at LEAST a great success? lol....considering im also inspiration buffed in a research center. /sigh

what gives?would thisexplain why im not seeing better rolls (scroll back up to review my crafting environment)? i even tried several different cities all with research and 43+ stations with different layouts (ie no overlap)

im at a loss.....

i was making a dl44 xt (yeah i know WS forum) for a great customer ( Ochowo /thumbsup)and i had a crit fail then 2mod successes... not good....when it occured, the icon WAS there throughout

im baffled and getting frustrated

---

That explains it.. bespin port only covers 1 experimentation attempt even though it shows a 5 minute timer.

I have just recently started using Bespin Port since I have recently picked up WS and have noticed HUGE improvements in my craftings and experimentations. I've gotten some incredible Power-ups from using it, and I won't take 1 experimentation attempt on an enhanced weapon without it now.

I've never had a huge problem with critical fails since I have been a 14 pt Master Artisan for more than a year now, but the increase in Amazing attempts is astounding... anyone who is not currently using Bespin Port needs to use it. It's amazing stuff.

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pre cu.....bespin portworked for a certain number of uses....mine was 11

i washaving this problem then(not theicon issue themain issue i brought up with this post).

post cu(up to about a few days ago) it was working the same, meaning it wore off after 11 uses but i was still getting the fails and mods (which is my mainproblem)

it was only recently that it startedto drop after one use

and if this is the way it is supposed to work....then it truly is worthless....how can i get confirmation as to how it is supposed to work,first and second, even if it stuck around...why the hell am i getting so many fails and mods?

unbelievable

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- Bespin Port has ALWAYS been for just one experimentaion attempt. You have to retake it for each time you experiment. It was like this pre-CU, it is like this post-CU. Period. It has never been any other way since the initial Chef revamp in March 2004

- The quality rating of your crafting station has never been proven to affect your experimentation success. If a Dev has ever posted otherwise, please point me to that link.

- Sometimes you just get a bad role of the dice.

I craft only 14-amazing schematics. It can take 10 minutes to get it, but Bespin port does help. I think you may have just had bad luck bud.

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im sorry but you are wrong (even though im second guessing myself like mad now)

i used bespin port aplenty prior to the cu and it even stated that it lasted for 11 experimentations uses (dep on how the chef crafted it)....there was no timer on it that i recall (like there is post cu) and if you didnt use all 11 (amount of uses varied with the chef that created it) experimentation attempts and tried to drink more you would get a message that said you already have the effect and consuming more would not help. i even remember multiple times waiting to see if it would wear off, suspecting a timer, but that wasnt the case...still got the message unless i used up experimentation attempts

that behavior certainly does not suggest that it was for one attempt....and besides, my problem, while frequentis not constant...in other words....i know that it worked more than it did not....its just that the amount that it didnt work was simply way too high, and frustratingly occured while crafting with a customers hard earned loot (ie tissues).

another observation reveals that i have had crit fails or mod successes immediately after taking bespin port as well...it wasnt limited to attempts further down...i especially took note of this when i saw the icon disappearing from my ham bar for the first time

show me a post from a dev that says it DOESNT help and is completely meaningless....id like every elite crafter out there to destroy their 40+ stations or whatever and use some that are -6.11 LOL.....i think ill stick with good stations (and tools)....im not naive to this debate and i realize that just because people use high quality stations doesnt offer proof that they work but if i posted that i used -6.11 stations this thread would have 500 posts saying duh-get a +40 station....enough said

this i certainly understand and accept and even like that it is a part of the game...but i certainly get way more than my fair share...i dont have the time to test this or quantify it but im telling you ive been a crafter since launch and it simply occurs too frequently....

btw

i should mention that my alt crafter is human

i dont post with him on the boards..

my main toon is a trandoshan....and was a crafter before i rolled him into combat so my problem even spanned two toons (both were crafters for short overlap while changing them up when i rolled my alt in nov -04) and occured on them simultaneously

Message Edited by Cygnusaa on 06-06-2005 09:42 AM

I am certainly not suggesting that crafters should destroy their high end stations. I use one myself. I was simply stating a fact: Higher rated stations have never been shown or confirmed to do ANYTHING at all. You can take that as you will. I personally I see no harm in having the best equipment possible, but you came to this forum with a problem. Since you listed your station rating, I wanted to simply say that I have not once heard of experimentation being affected by station rating. Eliminating possibilities is the first step is solving any problem.

As for Bespin Port, I am not trying to start a flame war here. I am simply stating that Bespin Port has been single use/single experimentation for well over a year. You seem to disagree with this, but I can assure you it is the case. If you need further clarification, please consult the Chef forums. I'm just trying to help figure out what the issue is.

There have been many many questions over the last year and a half regarding crafting. From the utility of crafting stations, to the benefit of more than +25 in attachments. From the utility of assembly SEAs for certain crafting professions, to the question of whether Bespin/FS crafting/research center bonuses actually stack. All of these have been well discussed, and some answers have been found. It would be great if we could get a dev to actually come out and TELL us how the game actually works, considering this is typically why games are shipped with manuals. Alas, that has yet to happen regarding so many of our crafting questions.

I do hope that you find a system that works for you. I know it took me some time, and it is different for every profession. Chefs dont need assembly at all, whereas Weaponsmiths most certainly do. Some people experiment only one point at a time, and some experiment multiple points. We each have to find what works best for us. As a perfectionist, I never wanted to settle for anything less than perfect schematics....meaning all 12 (for Chef) or all 14 (for artisan) points with amazing successes. For me, Bespin is remarkably useful. I find that it increases the chances of an Amazing success dramatically. They are still not a certainty, and you will still crit fail from time to time, but such is the roll of the dice.

I hope you can figure your issue out

If you wish to speak to someone else regarding Bespin port, the former Chef Correspondent is Kriles on Chilastra, and the current Chef correspondent is Higginsis on Farstar (I believe thats the correct galaxy). They have each been crafting since launch, and have an amazing level of crafting knowledge and are very helpful.

Hope this helps!