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Thread: Retarded artisans!

Booka
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:16 pm
#14

I started at 100k-90k-75k this afternoon(i though those were fair prices)but within an hour there were ppl selling for 1/3 that.When i asked one of the morons if they knew what they were doing to all of us by chargin so low,he of course had nothing to say but a wise@$$ answer.Whats to stop Artisans from not justselling resorces,way better money.I was getting3-4 cpu's without having to craft anything!!
usafnco
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:19 pm
#15

You walk from a vehicle for 50K but ill bet you paid more than that for a mount on day oneand that is the whole point


artisans get to the nearest starport and create a smap macro constant loop so nothing anyone says stays on the board for more than 1 sec and they wont sell !@#$ for less than 50k



/yell BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH PROTEST STUPIDITY BLAH BLAH BLAH


/ui action toolbarSlot??



and watch it go..... no one's spam will stay out there for more than 1 sec


I'v got an idea lets sell VEHICLES FOR LESS THAN THE GOING RATEOF RESOURCES BECAUSE WE R STUPID!!!!!






ELBON,
MASTER WEAPONSMITH, MASTER ARTISAN

ANYTHING CAN BE SOLVED WITH THE CORRECT APPLICATION OF VIOLENCE!
MAKING ENEMIES THE OLD FASHONED WAY...... ONE AT A TIME!
Tarthos_Intarca
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:23 pm
#16

/amen


EVERY artisan i have seen make an initail post to start a thread saying the they couldn't sell a vehicle at X cpu. us miners sell at 3-5 cpu and make massive profit so we sell the vehicles at about the same cpu and we still amke our money and have fun making the final product.


if everyone would mine thier own minerals the cost of minerlas would drop because the only mineral sales would be to people that can't find a particular mineral in thier part of the Galaxy. but with the option to use thier minerals they would not buy at the exorbitant prices.


yes everyone could have sold vehicles at a higher price just becuase it was opening day. but we decieded not to be as price haughty as the CH's (i do understand thier plight with the slots and all, and i do sympathize, artisans, and archs, need more lots)


and we did undercut ourselves. in my galaxy they are still selling at 75k to 200k in areas the range is unbelievable. there were a few people offering over 300k and i would have sold to them if i could make them i will miss the bing because i didn't know that they would be a master only, so i concentrated on other elite artisan professions. but i'll be selling at 40 to 50k once they solidify so i might be undersold, but thats ok my name will be out there once the "real" schematics come out and it truely will be an art to make the vehicles


and on opening day of the next vehicles i'll be selling the latest and greatest at 200 to 500k and i hope all you will too to make up for our miss on today. i was on my server all of 30 minutes just so i could get a first edition X34 and a swoop. once they solidify i'll buy from the guy who is selling at 100k still and not the ones at 5k. any artisans in Naritus galaxy that agree with me email me in game (Tarthos) and we will start a guild/union as long as one of us can make a guild hall.


are you with me men!!! oh and women, wookies, trandos, and the whatevers.




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usafnco
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:38 pm
#17

funny thing is... in real life YOU PAY FOR TIME AND EXPERIENCE ALSO NOT JUST MATERIALS!!! bunk units x resources = XXXXX


How about my time? How about my experience? time i spent getting to MA or higher. again refer to the weapsmiths , of which im one, the T21 is about 250ish units of resources and what do they sell for? NOT5 CPU!!! maybe 20k if you r lucky. and these vehicles are better/faster than mounts. later when the prices level out these MA's selling at retard prices will be kicking themselves in the !@# but until then ill take care of it my way!!



what r we thinking??




ELBON,
MASTER WEAPONSMITH, MASTER ARTISAN

ANYTHING CAN BE SOLVED WITH THE CORRECT APPLICATION OF VIOLENCE!
MAKING ENEMIES THE OLD FASHONED WAY...... ONE AT A TIME!
Vayde_Aren
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:40 pm
#18

Hm, think I'm gonna plan on buying out the competition and reselling at reasonable prices. Saddle up people! Hehehe, time to show em what bankruptcy feels like.



VAYDE AREN
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SystemAdministrator
Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:12 pm
#19

What I don't understand is why all the people posting on this board think thata completly non unifiedcommuntiy of Artisians could fix prices and price gouge.


Its simple, I'll play the devel's advocate. If I want to make and sell a vehicle (and have the skill), and someone is standing around yelling they will make one for 200k. If I can make a profit at 200k or less I will enter the market to make and sell vehicles. I would rather sell two vehicles rather than sell one, and let my competition sell one, so I offer to make them for 190K. Pretty soon someone tells my competition that I'm selling for less than they are. If they are not getting as many customers as they would like, they soon cut their price to lower than mine. This continues until one or the other iseither a) no longer is willing to sell for any lower price, or b) by lowering their prices theyget thenumber of customers they want or more, thereby giving them no reason to lower prices any more.


Sure, a few will sell for superlow right off the bad just because they want to do something new. Yet those will not be many and they get bored fast cranking out product for low profit.


If you wanted to fix prices did you do anything to organizeevery Artisian in one organization? If not I don't know why you thought free market economics magicly, wouldnot apply to your profession.

meschuster
Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:51 pm
#20

You, who complain about undercutters. Ha!!! Ha!!! Ha!!!!



NO WAY IN HELL SHOULD VEHICLES BE 100K. That goes to all the jokers out there who wanted to charge 100K for mounts when they came out. Most people can't sell resources for more than 10cpu unless it is 950+ in main catagories. And to run a medium or heavy harvester for any length of time to gather the resources DOES NOT cost all that much. the initial investment in the harvesters is paid off quickly. I paid off a high quality Fusion Ion Generator with my first sale of 50K units at 3cpu. with money to spare. (that includes maintenance fees) And it only took a few days to get that much.


AT MOST to gather alarge quantity of resources it runs you probably less than 1 cpu to gather. So charging 5 cpu to build a vehicle is not that unreasonable.



I LAUGH AT ALL OF YOU WHO WANT TO CHARGE 100k FOR A VEHICLE, BECAUSE YOU WON'T GET IT EXCEPT FOR A FEW IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO WILL FALL FOR IT!!!!!!




Gondolin-Tarquinas
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keihlbacca
Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:55 pm
#21

Not to mention, that with the decay rate being so high. People are going to realize that paying so much for something that needs frequent maintenance is not worth 100k.
airon
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:00 pm
#22

read my rant on the vehicles the decay rate vs resource cost is insane!!!
meschuster
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:01 pm
#23

How much work does it really take to get the resources to make one vehicle. If I'm not mistaken the largest amount for a vehicle is 8000 units of combined material and requires only two resources. I can't make a stim pack B with only two resources!! And I don't think high quality armor can be made with only two resources. It actually take some work on an Armorsmith's part. And remember Artisan (even Master) is NOT an elite profession.



Blame SWG Dev's. If you had to make several components that required more material I could understand higher prices. My MA friend who made mine (he wanted to give it to me for free but I paid him 20K for his trouble) took him all of 30 sec to make it at the public crafting station.




Gondolin-Tarquinas
Genjin Hatsumi-Chimaera-Europe
Old-man Potts-Radiant
Mod0
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:11 pm
#24

i totally agree

U R A BUNCH OF DUMBASS

THIS WAS THE only occasion we had to get some fun out of our profession and ur bunch of dumbass ruined it.

A lot of MASTER ARTISANS are just dumbass new players who mastered it and dont HAVE ANY CLUE about fun in game and money stuff. thats the problem of letting a stuff like Vehicles accessible to crafters that can be dumbass new players. they ruin the whole thing. i keep on selling mine 60K to 120 K




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Vaedross
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:17 pm
#25

The people who do this IMO and in my experience are grinding up to master artisan and probably won't stick with the profession. It's unfortunate. Free healing and free dancing is what kills medic and entertainer... super-cheap vehicles hurts all artisans.

It's the equivalent of AFK dancing IMO.



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airon
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:17 pm
#26

Modo before flaming THINK our customers will that shiny new 100k (insane price ) bike is gonna cost upwards of 75k a month in upkeep makin it the highest (BUY FAR) upkeep inthe game and if it gets shot?? LOL bye bye there are very few players who can afford this kind o Credit tempo. The Decay Rate is WAT to fast VS resource cost and NEEDs to be addressed getting on here and ruining an intelligent debate buy Cussing gets nuthin accomplished!! If the decay rate was lower then Yes 100k would be a fair price for bikes but its not if u take a bike out and ride it no battle damage i tiwll last a little under 3 hrs before kaput i mean one day and people are already on their second and third bikes. so your sayn 200k a day is good for the economy?? maybe your personla one lol but only in the short term!! Relax get a grip and post sumthing meaningful!
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