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Thread: New Vehicle rules are stupid ....
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Treemorr
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:08 am
#1
.... or I am!
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Vehicles
Players can no longer offer rides to other players if they are driving a multi-passenger vehicle. Instead, qualified players can simply 'enter/exit' the vehicle through the radial menu.
A character is allowed to ride with someone:
1. There is room in the vehicle.
2. If they are in the same group.
3. If they are not in combat
4. If they are not in an opposing faction
5. If they do not have a TemporaryEnemyFlag (TEF)
6. If they are factionally overt,then the driver must also be factionally overt.
Note: A declared faction player can only ride in another player's vehicle if that rider is also factioned declared, and for a friendly faction. If the driver manages to go from faction declared to covert, any declared factional riders will be ejected.
Players can no longer offer rides to other players if they are driving a multi-passenger vehicle. Instead, qualified players can simply 'enter/exit' the vehicle through the radial menu.
A character is allowed to ride with someone:
1. There is room in the vehicle.
2. If they are in the same group.
3. If they are not in combat
4. If they are not in an opposing faction
5. If they do not have a TemporaryEnemyFlag (TEF)
6. If they are factionally overt,then the driver must also be factionally overt.
Note: A declared faction player can only ride in another player's vehicle if that rider is also factioned declared, and for a friendly faction. If the driver manages to go from faction declared to covert, any declared factional riders will be ejected.
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So basically friends may not be able to enter my vehicles, but annoying strangers could??!!
After5CST
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:24 am
#2
If those strangers are annoying, don't group with them, and they won't get a ride.
Really, the new restrictions are dealing with stupid current behavior, and I don't find the restrictions unreasonable.
I still will miss the /offerride and /acceptride functionality, but I understand that they made for significant PvP problems, everything from using a friend to help you escape a BH ( or escape a Jedi ) to a lag-causing tool by griefers.
As such, even though I don't PvP, I've resigned myself that the new system is probably better.
Really, the new restrictions are dealing with stupid current behavior, and I don't find the restrictions unreasonable.
I still will miss the /offerride and /acceptride functionality, but I understand that they made for significant PvP problems, everything from using a friend to help you escape a BH ( or escape a Jedi ) to a lag-causing tool by griefers.
As such, even though I don't PvP, I've resigned myself that the new system is probably better.
CGGuns
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:34 am
#3
Interesting... makes that faction choice you made even more important!
Treemorr
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:37 am
#4
After5CST wrote:
If those strangers are annoying, don't group with them, and they won't get a ride.
Really, the new restrictions are dealing with stupid current behavior, and I don't find the restrictions unreasonable.
I still will miss the /offerride and /acceptride functionality, but I understand that they made for significant PvP problems, everything from using a friend to help you escape a BH ( or escape a Jedi ) to a lag-causing tool by griefers.
As such, even though I don't PvP, I've resigned myself that the new system is probably better.
But the way I see it, is that if the person is the same faction as me they'll be able to enter? also What if a group member is of opposit faction? As our guild and friends are of different factions.
Giamai
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:43 am
#5
this is probably being done so jedi can't escape bh's by having friends show up with escape vehicles. if i understand this, its on tc and therefore (hopefully) will change some before it goes live
it doesn't make sense that you would have to be of the same faction...on leave should be the same as neutral for example, so in theory, how do you know who your enemy is?
i also think its kinda dumb that you as the driver can't control who is in the vehicle lol...hitchhiking will save some wear and tear on my swoop 
Treemorr
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:54 am
#6
Giamai wrote:
this is probably being done so jedi can't escape bh's by having friends show up with escape vehicles. if i understand this, its on tc and therefore (hopefully) will change some before it goes live
If its because of that, then its even more stupid, as if I ended up being in that sitaution and survived, then that whole procedure would be cool!
Maybe Emperor Palpatine should have hired the devs, then Darth Maul could have killed Gui Gonn in their first encounter on Tatooine in Episode I, or Anakin wouldn't have been able to save Obi Wan at the start of Episode II
A total load of crap, the devs take all the fun out of the game, and stop you doing what you'd like to do from the movies. 
Message Edited by Treemorr on 07-26-2005 10:55 AM
After5CST
Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:50 am
#7
The way I read the TC notes, they conditions were all "and"ed together.
Person B can get a ride in person A's vehicle IF (and only IF) all of the following are true:
1) There is space for them.
2) They are grouped.
3) They are not in combat.
4) They are not of opposing factions.
5) They do not have TEFs.
6) The passenger's status is NOT Overt unless the driver's status IS Overt.
Point #4 seems a little odd to me, and could cause problems with pub groups. The rest of it looks pretty straightforward, and you should easily be able to keep hijackers from jumping in your vehicle without any real work.
Person B can get a ride in person A's vehicle IF (and only IF) all of the following are true:
1) There is space for them.
2) They are grouped.
3) They are not in combat.
4) They are not of opposing factions.
5) They do not have TEFs.
6) The passenger's status is NOT Overt unless the driver's status IS Overt.
Point #4 seems a little odd to me, and could cause problems with pub groups. The rest of it looks pretty straightforward, and you should easily be able to keep hijackers from jumping in your vehicle without any real work.
JeCy
Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:23 pm
#8
a much simpler way would be to make the vehicle BE targetable if someone wants to pull some lame A$$ stunt like that and let um get there ride blown up.. and make the vehicles vuln to3x damage.. (this would only occure if someone with aTEF jumped in your ride.. soo its a once shot kill.. let the jerk lose his av-21 while picking up is lame grinder buddy.. .(heck even make being in a vehilce that gets blown up you are stuned for 20 seconds.. both would put a quick hault to this really fast.
and let the rest of us that use vehilces the way they were intended to not be affected by all this crap.. Why is it greifers ruin it for all the people that just want to play and have fun.
Je'Cy
Giamai
Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:55 pm
#9
truth is, i don't really see the escape vehicle thing as griefing...irl if you had a hit on you and a buddy drove up, why isn't getting a ride fair? its not like the bh can't just find you again later, nobody is so good a friend that they would be willing to babysit a jedi all day, there will be other opportunitieslol
the more effective grinding method is just to go to kashyyk and hide in an instance anyways
Meplorium
Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:09 am
#10
The non overt faction condition is lame as is the being in combat. If two people are combatant then it doesn't matter. If you are in combat you can jump on your own bike, why not your buddies. The TEF/Overt conditions cover any and all PvP issues with offer ride. Those two conditions are not necessary.
Slysix
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:00 pm
#11
Stipulation 4 is a bit kinda weird... If your "on leave" and group hunting even with opposite faction....a ride should still be allowed....
I don't see how faction needs to be included in the requirements to offer a ride.
I don't see how faction needs to be included in the requirements to offer a ride.
Cafa
Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:06 pm
#12
After5CST wrote:
If those strangers are annoying, don't group with them, and they won't get a ride.
Really, the new restrictions are dealing with stupid current behavior, and I don't find the restrictions unreasonable.
I still will miss the /offerride and /acceptride functionality, but I understand that they made for significant PvP problems, everything from using a friend to help you escape a BH ( or escape a Jedi ) to a lag-causing tool by griefers.
As such, even though I don't PvP, I've resigned myself that the new system is probably better.
No, BH TEF took care of this problem. If a BH has TEF you cannot offer the Jedi a ride successfully. I have no idea whatsoever why these additional limtations are necessary.
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