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Thread: inspiration buffs

Lupaerian
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:20 am
#1

Question is - what will happen if you stack the inspiration buff with the port, FS crafting, +25 CAs and research center? I'm already at the point where I discard anything with less than 4-6 amazings on the layers, segments and final combines, and I only use the research center option for the layers/segments since that's the only option I currently have and the port is more trouble than it's worth when grinding repeatedly for the "perfect" layer/segment schem. I only use the port for the final combines. Makes me wonder what an armorsmith with access to ALL those options can do with a little bit of effort. 12 amazings?



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WolfGuy
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:28 am
#2

My guess is that like most "crafting bonuses" it will be hard to tell the difference between crafting with it and crafting without it.

But it is better than nothing and I plan to take full advantage of it.




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Mought1971
Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:20 am
#3

Wow, are you kidding? Everyone will get buffed before they do ANYthing. Have they released the exact bonuses anywhere?
Corsican_Ogre
Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:21 am
#4

As unhappy as the entertainers are ATM I am wondering if there will be any one to give this buff. I cant Imagine that the buff bots will be macroing this for us.



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Mought1971
Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:27 am
#5

As long as there are people who want to grind FS, there will be AFK entertainer buffers. They will just drop /join from their macro. What you'll probably see is entertainers buffing and watching/listening to each other constantly for the XP boost. Get performing XP from the same person who is buffing you so you get 10% more!
justapilgrim
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:39 pm
#6

we will now need to get buffed before crafting






An Inspiration Buff will affect the following things::

1) XP gain
2) Faction Point gain
3) Crafting Success






these are replacing the mind buffs for entertainers


I guess this could be like 3 hour port/cake


wait and see



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DoWei
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:17 pm
#7

According to the notes on the Entertainer Forums you will just have to watch them for the specified time, you won't have to do the whole group and direct performance stuff anymore. Not sure what it will be by the time it gets to LIVE though.



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Fragpuppie
Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:06 pm
#8


So now that there are frogs on TC-EP3 I thought I'd do some testing of the Inspires to see if they live up to the description that Phydeaux put in his post. The results are Yes and No.


A dual master Music and Dance (triple actually with Entertainer)cannot inspire fully in 30 seconds (possibly with Skill tapes they can) but rather it takes 40 seconds.

In Entertainer it looks as though people are locked at 5 minutes per tick

Adding ME, Nov Music or Nov Dance ups it to7.5 mins per tick

Adding another to the mix seems to up it to 10 Mins per tick


....and here's where it gets ugly and if someone more awake than me can figure out the formula....then please let me know.


I THINK the formula is 1/4 of the combined wound healing numbers for music and dance minutes per tick.


Triple Master (Music/Dance/Ent) is 50 minutes per tick

Double Master (Music and Dance) is 40 minutes per tick

Double Master (Music and Ent) is 30 minutes per tick


However different levels of Wound healing without master produce different numbers of minutes

Dance Wound 4 and Music Wound 4 gave me 30 mins per tick where only Music wound 2 no dance at all gave me 25/tick


Now in double checking some numbers it looks like some have changed since yesterday. Ahh well I'll resume when more awake.



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Oh and an aside....


If you watch one Entertainer and listen to another, you get each "pulse" individually so listening to atriple master and watching a novice Entertainer will give you 50 plus 5 per tick.....so you could get fully inspired in 20 seconds watching and listening to two triple masters.


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Message Edited by Fragpuppie on 04-17-2005 12:09 AM

IssogiKa
Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:46 pm
#9

I'm not sure if this has been posted about or not but...

I just tested the inspiration buffs on Test Center and this is what I found.

Master Dancer:

Inspiration Buff is 10% for 3 hours

Novice Entertainer (with NO extra skills):

Inspiration Buff is 10% for 2 hours



I just lost all reason to keep Master Dancer on my alt.



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Melpomyne
Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:19 pm
#10

I am also concerned that even if they remove the recursive macros, we will not lose buff bots as they no longer need to flourish AT ALL, so no need for a macro. Exisiting buffbots are already masters, and thus this will mean that up and coming entertainers will do lesser buffs (time wise) and thus get no xp as the 'masters' (how a buffbot can display that title and live with themselves i don't know) will do longer and thus get the attention.


Humans are creatures of habit and if they went to buffbots before will continue to do so (well at least the majority will - assuming they come to the cantina at all with the changes to BF and mind).


Not trying to complain, just posting a real concern of mine.



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Drygo
Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:49 pm
#11






Melpomyne wrote:

I am also concerned that even if they remove the recursive macros, we will not lose buff bots as they no longer need to flourish AT ALL, so no need for a macro. Exisiting buffbots are already masters, and thus this will mean that up and coming entertainers will do lesser buffs (time wise) and thus get no xp as the 'masters' (how a buffbot can display that title and live with themselves i don't know) will do longer and thus get the attention.


Humans are creatures of habit and if they went to buffbots before will continue to do so (well at least the majority will - assuming they come to the cantina at all with the changes to BF and mind).


Not trying to complain, just posting a real concern of mine.







I agree that people are creatures of habit, and will continue to go to the buffs for awhile. But, I'm optimistic that this will change, slowly but surely, for two reasons.


First, a good portion of these bot owners are going to realize that having an extra account for the sole purpose of small percentage buffs is not going to be worth it. You'll see them start dropping. After all, these buffs are not our mind buffing replacement. They are our mind wound replacement. And, if you think about it that way, how many people are going to pay for the sole purpose of having an afk mind wound healer. It just doesn't make sense. The cost outweighs the benefit.


Second, populations of games come and go. As more new people purchase and play the game, these noobs are going to be able to be conditioned to go see live entertainers, and not the bots. Because, quite frankly, we actually have the advantage now. So what if they're on 24/7. Why would a noob make a special trip to a buffing house, or go see that buffbot in the Coronet Cantina when there's a live person there greeting and talking to them?


The tables have turned. And, while, yes, I detest most of this combat upgrade, I'm not going poopoo on everything when not everything is bad. And, one of the things that is really good about this CU, is that we have the advantages now--the 24/7 thing is really quite low on the scale of desirability for these inspiration buffs. I think people are going to care more about people actually entertaining them.




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DarkY0da
Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:12 pm
#12

Yes Bots will drop either dancer or musician or both and just keep Ent. While picking up Doc so that they can AFK buff everything.

And of course all the bots shared will stick around... the ones used for lots ect. And then once our new fully AFKable buffs or what not come around next year more bots will show up to do those.... but at least a few of them will leave between now and then.



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Drygo
Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:18 pm
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DarkY0da wrote:
Yes Bots will drop either dancer or musician or both and just keep Ent. While picking up Doc so that they can AFK buff everything.


I dunno. I just don't see it that way. I mean, let's say they did drop to novice only and pick up doc to buff. Still, the logistics don't make it worthwhile. For one thing, they'd have to be in a house, not a public Cantina. We gain the patronage of thenoobies because of this. Secondly, yeah, doc bots will always exist, but they aren't nearly as common as entertainers because you gotta deal with resources, restocking, droid batteries, and then cycle through doc buffing and dancing? It just doesn't seem worth it. Especially, when people will be able to so easily get it elsewhere, and these new doc bots will need a BE to provide them with the bots. I'm not saying it won't be done, or that it's impossible. I'm just saying, that I just don't think most people are going to think it's worth it.



And of course all the bots shared will stick around... the ones used for lots ect. And then once our new fully AFKable buffs or what not come around next year more bots will show up to do those.... but at least a few of them will leave between now and then.


Well, my views of course are under the assumption that this elite thing we get will be advantageous to ATK entertainers. Again, not saying I even believe that it will happen. But, if it does, then entertainer bots most assuredly will fade out of existence.











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