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Thread: What is the diff in resources between BH armor and comp armor(besides schems)?
composite:
wooly hide
solid petrochem
bounty hunter:
steel
polymer
BH is a bit easier regarding resource requirements, but has to made by hand one piece at a time.
Plus most people want custom colors and some even want unique names.
In other words, it's more time consuming than Composite.
Perhaps I don't speak for all smiths, butplease expect to pay a bit more for BH than normal Composite.
In the OP I said I would be asking for an energy capped set of comp. That in itself means its going to be a custom suit.Ifyou contact an armorsmith about making you a suit of armor their most likely going to ask what colors you want it. That being the case, what is the diff between a suit of BH armor and a suit of costumized comp? Sounds to me like you want to charge more simply because its BH armor, which is why I want to ask an AS how much they would charge me for a custom(energy capped) suit of comp, let them tell me, and THEN tell them about the BH armor(using my schems) so they dont give me a higher price if I just ask for the BH armor to begin with.
JediSpam wrote:
BH is a bit easier regarding resource requirements, but has to made by hand one piece at a time.
Plus most people want custom colors and some even want unique names.
In other words, it's more time consuming than Composite.
Perhaps I don't speak for all smiths, butplease expect to pay a bit more for BH than normal Composite.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-02-2005 10:53 PM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
In the OP I said I would be asking for an energy capped set of comp. That in itself means its going to be a custom suit.Ifyou contact an armorsmith about making you a suit of armor their most likely going to ask what colors you want it. That being the case, what is the diff between a suit of BH armor and a suit of costumized comp? Sounds to me like you want to charge more simply because its BH armor, which is why I want to ask an AS how much they would charge me for a custom(energy capped) suit of comp, let them tell me, and THEN tell them about the BH armor(using my schems) so they dont give me a higher price if I just ask for the BH armor to begin with.
JediSpam wrote:
BH is a bit easier regarding resource requirements, but has to made by hand one piece at a time.
Plus most people want custom colors and some even want unique names.
In other words, it's more time consuming than Composite.
Perhaps I don't speak for all smiths, butplease expect to pay a bit more for BH than normal Composite.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-02-2005 10:53 PM
My point is, for Composite, most of us can makethe schematicwheneverwe like, color it whatever we like, name it whatever we like andmake factory runs. This can all be done during lunch break. Plus we can put them on our vendors and not get hassled one single moment while doing so. (Even with the color bug, we can still make most of thepieces using a factory)
But for BH, we have to drop what we're doing, take thetime to talk to the customer, explain to them their options,actually get the schematics from the customer (wheather through trade or a vendor), learn each schematic separately, go get an entertainer buff, make each piece by hand, use port and cake for each piece so there's no mess up during the craft, and if there is a "good" success or whatever and it's not maxxed, we have to explain to the customer why the piece isn't maxxed out, get flamed for it, explain we can't make them a new one for free, and then either meet with the customer to trade or get an extra packpack, stuff the stuff inside, name the backpack something unique, and let the customer know what the name of the backpack is and what vendor it's on.
Perhaps you already know what you want, but many people still don't understand even the basics of armor.Many times we have to explain to them what their resists will be like andthe difference between Primus and Energy layers. Sometimes we even have to start explaining to them the differences between Recon/Battle/Assault.
Communication is the key here. This takes time. And I tend to think most smiths will charge for their extra time. If you can find one that will charge the same, good for you. Just don'tdemand everyone to do the same.
It takes signifficantly more time to make 10 sets of BH Armor for 10 people than it does to make 10 sets of Compositethrough a factory.
And Energy LayeredAssault is not custom at all. LOL
I always have a few hundred Energy LayeredAssault Cores ready to use at any given time, butmost of them are used in factory runs.
JediSpam wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
In the OP I said I would be asking for an energy capped set of comp. That in itself means its going to be a custom suit.Ifyou contact an armorsmith about making you a suit of armor their most likely going to ask what colors you want it. That being the case, what is the diff between a suit of BH armor and a suit of costumized comp? Sounds to me like you want to charge more simply because its BH armor, which is why I want to ask an AS how much they would charge me for a custom(energy capped) suit of comp, let them tell me, and THEN tell them about the BH armor(using my schems) so they dont give me a higher price if I just ask for the BH armor to begin with.
JediSpam wrote:
BH is a bit easier regarding resource requirements, but has to made by hand one piece at a time.
Plus most people want custom colors and some even want unique names.
In other words, it's more time consuming than Composite.
Perhaps I don't speak for all smiths, butplease expect to pay a bit more for BH than normal Composite.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-02-2005 10:53 PM
My point is, for Composite, most of us can makethe schematicwheneverwe like, color it whatever we like, name it whatever we like andmake factory runs. This can all be done during lunch break. Plus we can put them on our vendors and not get hassled one single moment while doing so. (Even with the color bug, we can still make most of thepieces using a factory)
But for BH, we have to drop what we're doing, take thetime to talk to the customer, explain to them their options,actually get the schematics from the customer (wheather through trade or a vendor), learn each schematic separately, go get an entertainer buff, make each piece by hand, use port and cake for each piece so there's no mess up during the craft, and if there is a "good" success or whatever and it's not maxxed, we have to explain to the customer why the piece isn't maxxed out, get flamed for it, explain we can't make them a new one for free, and then either meet with the customer to trade or get an extra packpack, stuff the stuff inside, name the backpack something unique, and let the customer know what the name of the backpack is and what vendor it's on.
Perhaps you already know what you want, but many people still don't understand even the basics of armor.Many times we have to explain to them what their resists will be like andthe difference between Primus and Energy layers. Sometimes we even have to start explaining to them the differences between Recon/Battle/Assault.
Communication is the key here. This takes time. And I tend to think most smiths will charge for their extra time. If you can find one that will charge the same, good for you. Just don'tdemand everyone to do the same.
It takes signifficantly more time to make 10 sets of BH Armor for 10 people than it does to make 10 sets of Compositethrough a factory.
And Energy LayeredAssault is not custom at all. LOL
I always have a few hundred Energy LayeredAssault Cores ready to use at any given time, butmost of them are used in factory runs.
Just an example of this. I had a BH come to me wanting me to make him a suit. And expected that I could make it with recon armor stats. Alone that took me a good half hour to explain to him (And get him to understand) that that was impossible as BH armor is Assault armor. And not Recon armor. and what the differences were etc. And just what is and isnt possible with layering of assault armor etc.
And hten in the end he decided he didnt want BH armor and sold the schematics 
Everitt_Cage wrote:
In the OP I said I would be asking for an energy capped set of comp. That in itself means its going to be a custom suit.Ifyou contact an armorsmith about making you a suit of armor their most likely going to ask what colors you want it. That being the case, what is the diff between a suit of BH armor and a suit of costumized comp? Sounds to me like you want to charge more simply because its BH armor, which is why I want to ask an AS how much they would charge me for a custom(energy capped) suit of comp, let them tell me, and THEN tell them about the BH armor(using my schems) so they dont give me a higher price if I just ask for the BH armor to begin with.
JediSpam wrote:
BH is a bit easier regarding resource requirements, but has to made by hand one piece at a time.
Plus most people want custom colors and some even want unique names.
In other words, it's more time consuming than Composite.
Perhaps I don't speak for all smiths, butplease expect to pay a bit more for BH than normal Composite.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-02-2005 10:53 PM
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work
.Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
price increases exponentially as a function of pushiness
/innocent
Wow, thats an interesting approach to take. Its perfectly understandable though, since clicking2 colors instead of 1 probably takes you another 5 secs.If I were to have an auction and you were to win and ask me to drop it off at your vendor, I guess I would have to charge you for the "more work" I'd be doing. And since the extra 5 secs of your time it would take you to choose 2 colorsinstead of 1 would require you to increase your price,I guess the extra 10 or more mins it would take me totravel to your vendor anddrop the item off would wind upcosting you quite a bit more.Obviously thats what you want, becuase I know you wouldnt do to others what you wouldnt want them to do to you.
pykescylla wrote:
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work
Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Wow, thats an interesting approach to take. Its perfectly understandable though, since clicking2 colors instead of 1 probably takes you another 5 secs.If I were to have an auction and you were to win and ask me to drop it off at your vendor, I guess I would have to charge you for the "more work" I'd be doing. And since the extra 5 secs of your time it would take you to choose 2 colorsinstead of 1 would require you to increase your price,I guess the extra 10 or more mins it would take me totravel to your vendor anddrop the item off would wind upcosting you quite a bit more.Obviously thats what you want, becuase I know you wouldnt do to others what you wouldnt want them to do to you.
pykescylla wrote:
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work
Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
The bottom line is that the AS has taken the time to master the profession and you haven't. The can charge whatever they want and do not have to justify themselves to you. You are here trying to get information on how to get around paying a premium price for a high demand item. If you don't like what you're being charged then make it yourself.
Gorba_JinDar wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Wow, thats an interesting approach to take. Its perfectly understandable though, since clicking2 colors instead of 1 probably takes you another 5 secs.If I were to have an auction and you were to win and ask me to drop it off at your vendor, I guess I would have to charge you for the "more work" I'd be doing. And since the extra 5 secs of your time it would take you to choose 2 colorsinstead of 1 would require you to increase your price,I guess the extra 10 or more mins it would take me totravel to your vendor anddrop the item off would wind upcosting you quite a bit more.Obviously thats what you want, becuase I know you wouldnt do to others what you wouldnt want them to do to you.
pykescylla wrote:
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work
Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
The bottom line is that the AS has taken the time to master the profession and you haven't. The can charge whatever they want and do not have to justify themselves to you. You are here trying to get information on how to get around paying a premium price for a high demand item. If you don't like what you're being charged then make it yourself.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-04-2005 03:02 PM