Armorsmith Archive
Thread: What is the diff in resources between BH armor and comp armor(besides schems)?
darthbock wrote:
You are trying to ambush a smith into providing you a better deal because of your own notion about the value of the armor. You base value purely upon resources used, which is silly. The majority of value is impartedfrom the time and expertiseof the crafter. Go right ahead, but the hostile response you are getting here will probably be echoed when you try to tell a smith that they should charge you the same for taking the time to do a custom order for you. I just love it when the unitiated tell me my business... The last time someone placed an order then told me how much to charge them, they spent days sending me tells that I ignored. Ask them the price, if you dislike it move on. No one is forcing you to be 'ripped off.' Just find someone else to make the armor.
An even better solution would be to post on your trade forum that you have a full set of schematics that you are willing to provide and are looking for xxx stats for yyy price for someone to make the suit for you. That way, you don't get tweakedover being told 'ridiculous' prices, and the smiths who charge more thanwhat you feel is fairdon't have to deal with you.
darthbock wrote:
You are trying to ambush a smith into providing you a better deal because of your own notion about the value of the armor.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-04-2005 05:28 PM
pykescylla wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Wow, thats an interesting approach to take. Its perfectly understandable though, since clicking2 colors instead of 1 probably takes you another 5 secs.If I were to have an auction and you were to win and ask me to drop it off at your vendor, I guess I would have to charge you for the "more work" I'd be doing. And since the extra 5 secs of your time it would take you to choose 2 colorsinstead of 1 would require you to increase your price,I guess the extra 10 or more mins it would take me totravel to your vendor anddrop the item off would wind upcosting you quite a bit more.Obviously thats what you want, becuase I know you wouldnt do to others what you wouldnt want them to do to you.
pykescylla wrote:
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work.
Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
My first statement was meant facetiously, but you went out of your way to take it seriously. You proved my second statement quite nicely though.
Take a few breaths and read it again... I advocated your right to pay whatever you wanted by telling you not to have that person make your armor if you do not like their fee. Arguing with them about their pricing structure will probably just tick them off and waste both of your time. You have no idea how much they paid for their resources. It could be they harvested their petro for next to nothing themselves, but had to pay out the nose for the steel they are using in BH armor... Why waste your own and their time trying to argue with them about pricing?
Save everyone a headache and post an ad on your trade forums saying you have schematics and want to pay xxx amount to have yyy stats on a suit of armor made from them. You get to proclaim your fair price for all to see, and a luckysmith who agrees gets your business. That way, everyone wins without any drama. Capiche? If no one responds to your ad, that might give you a hint that your fair price is not really reasonable regardless of how strongly you believe it is. Also run the ad in your galaxy's auction channel to get mroe exposure.
/done
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Gorba_JinDar wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Wow, thats an interesting approach to take. Its perfectly understandable though, since clicking2 colors instead of 1 probably takes you another 5 secs.If I were to have an auction and you were to win and ask me to drop it off at your vendor, I guess I would have to charge you for the "more work" I'd be doing. And since the extra 5 secs of your time it would take you to choose 2 colorsinstead of 1 would require you to increase your price,I guess the extra 10 or more mins it would take me totravel to your vendor anddrop the item off would wind upcosting you quite a bit more.Obviously thats what you want, becuase I know you wouldnt do to others what you wouldnt want them to do to you.
pykescylla wrote:
BH armor has two colors to select and composite has one. Therefore you must pay more because I'm doing more work
Frankly, I charge a bit more because of the personality types of the people who are bringing these schems to me. The tend to be slightly greater pains in the derrier than other customers.
The bottom line is that the AS has taken the time to master the profession and you haven't. The can charge whatever they want and do not have to justify themselves to you. You are here trying to get information on how to get around paying a premium price for a high demand item. If you don't like what you're being charged then make it yourself.
Wrong. I'm not trying to get around anything. I'm trying to find out the difference in the resourcerequirments between comp and BH besides the schems to make sure an AS isnt jacking me simply because its BH armor, which some in this thread would do. From what Ive read though, nothing about BH armor besides the schems is any different than normal armor. Obviously the AS can set whatever price he wants on his armor, but having learned that there isnt really a resource difference between comp and BH armor, anybody with a brain isnt going to let an AS rip them off to make them a suit of BH armor if they(they buyer) are providing the schems, because the AS is putting the same resources into it he would into armor that wasnt loot based.
Sure, I acknowledge the fact that giving the customer your time to get this and that the way they want warrents a higher price, but that goes for all armor, not BH armor.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-04-2005 03:02 PM
Easy fix then. AS's should quit letting people supply resources and just make stuff themselves. Then you can see what the prices really should be. But you're right. I'm getting on the phone right now and calling Germany. I'm curious how much Porsche will charge me for a 911 if I supply the parts. Ohh better yet I can call Lexus and tell them I have some Toyota parts so they should give me a discount. Like I said, if you don't like it, get an alt and make your own AS or join a guild with a good one. I don't mean to come down on you but i'm tired of people wanting crafters to make items based upon the prices they think are fit rather than the established prices of the economy.
Look, I'm not trying to set anybodies prices for them. All I wanted to do with this thread was find out the difference in resources between BH armor and comp besides the schems. Since I have found out that there really isnt one, it means, providing I supply the schems, an AS is putting the same into a suit of BH armoras they woulda suit of comp(w/ the same stats), plus 2 things: 1) the Bh armor has to be made piece by piece, and 2) they have to select 2 colors instead of just one. I'm more than happy to pay more for BH armor because of those 2 extra things that go into it that dont go into comp, but knowing that the same resources, as well as my schems are being used, I know that reasonably theres only a certain amount that those extra two steps can be worth, as all they represent is time,not any physical resources.
Gorba_JinDar wrote:
Easy fix then. AS's should quit letting people supply resources and just make stuff themselves. Then you can see what the prices really should be. But you're right. I'm getting on the phone right now and calling Germany. I'm curious how much Porsche will charge me for a 911 if I supply the parts. Ohh better yet I can call Lexus and tell them I have some Toyota parts so they should give me a discount. Like I said, if you don't like it, get an alt and make your own AS or join a guild with a good one. I don't mean to come down on you but i'm tired of people wanting crafters to make items based upon the prices they think are fit rather than the established prices of the economy.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-04-2005 03:54 PM
hightyebeets wrote:
i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
JediSpam wrote:
hightyebeets wrote:
i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
9 easy orders + this one stupid wiseass order and dealing with it takes 10x+ more time than hand crafting 10 sets of composite.
Ya'll can say whatever yall want. I dont care if you want to lie, thats betweenyou and whatever religion you belong to. All I'm going to do is what I said I was going to do:
1)Ask an AS how much for a set of energy comp and get the price.
2) Then Ask how much for a set of energy BH using my schems.
Since I know ahead of time the resources for the BH are virtualy the same and all thats respresented in however much of a price difference he tells me is time, if I think its fair then I'll ask him to make me a suit; if not then I'll find another. Theres nothing hasseling or wiseass about any of that, and I never said I would do anything but that in this thread. If people like the two above posters want to lie about it and say I'll do something else,be it hassel him or give him a hard time or whatever, thats fine w/ me. Their morals arent my business.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-05-2005 10:24 AM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
JediSpam wrote:
hightyebeets wrote:
i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
9 easy orders + this one stupid wiseass order and dealing with it takes 10x+ more time than hand crafting 10 sets of composite.
Ya'll can say whatever yall want. I dont care if you want to lie, thats betweenyou and whatever religion you belong to. All I'm going to do is what I said I was going to do:
1)Ask an AS how much for a set of energy comp and get the price.
2) Then Ask how much for a set of energy BH using my schems.
Since I know ahead of time the resources for the BH are virtualy the same and all thats respresented in however much of a price difference he tells me is time, if I think its fair then I'll ask him to make me a suit; if not then I'll find another. Theres nothing hasseling or wiseass about any of that, and I never said I would do anything but that in this thread. If people like the two above posters want to lie about it and say I'll do something else,be it hassel him or give him a hard time or whatever, thats fine w/ me. Their morals arent my business.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-05-2005 10:24 AM
i don't see any lies in my post, i simply stated facts, 1. custom orders are a pain to do, and 2. i wouldn't make you a set of armour. no lies.
hightyebeets wrote:
i don't see any lies in my post, i simply stated facts, 1. custom orders are a pain to do, and 2. i wouldn't make you a set of armour. no lies.
/sigh. Do I really have to explain it?
"i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass."
As you can see, everythingyou said was about me specificaly. The lie wasnt thatyou wouldnt make me a set of armor, asyou can do whatever want, but in saying that I would hassle you, which I wouldnt. You can claim all day long that I will, but all you'll make yourself is a bigger liar.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-06-2005 09:55 AM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
hightyebeets wrote:
i don't see any lies in my post, i simply stated facts, 1. custom orders are a pain to do, and 2. i wouldn't make you a set of armour. no lies.
/sigh. Do I really have to explain it? You quoted someone who was talking about me specificaly, and who said I was a type of person, and type of person I am is the type that makes custom work a pain in the ass.
"i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass."
As you can see, everything he said was about me specificaly. The lie wasnt that he wouldnt make me a set of armor, as he can do whatever wants, but in him saying that I would hassle him, which I wouldnt. You didnt quote a post that was talking about people in general, you quote a post talking about me specificaly, thenmade a commentto the effect of you agreed:
"This is exactly what I'm talking about."
and then went onto say
"9 easy orders + this one stupid wiseass order"
You didnt say A stupid wiseass order(which could mean in general), you said THIS one stupid wiseass order, which meant somethat that was already being discussed(with mine being all that was being discussed). I already explained, however, what he said is a lie because I'm not going to hassel anybody nor did I ever suggest I would. For you to agree with him however, which means your saying what he said is true(thats what agreeing is), is a lie.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-05-2005 10:54 AM
"i wouldn't make this guy a set of armour cos it would be too much of a hassle dealing with him, this is the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain in the ass."
that is what i said, and it is true, you are the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain to do. It is not a lie it is a generalisation.
hightyebeets wrote:
that is what i said, and it is true, you are the sort of guy that makes custom work a pain to do. It is not a lie it is a generalisation.
2) Then Ask how much for a set of energy BH using my schems.
Since I know ahead of time the resources for the BH are virtualy the same and all thats respresented in however much of a price difference he tells me is time, if I think its fair then I'll ask him to make me a suit; if not then I'll find another."
Now tell me how thats making anything a pain in the ass.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 09-06-2005 09:57 AM