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Thread: The real problem

ElKaBoNg32
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:06 pm
#1

I think that we were all hit pretty hard by the recent patch, and it's pretty clear that more thought should have gone into it. This has made much needed XP from more difficult MOBs become hard to come by, or made it aunequip/knockdown/equip just to keep from pulling a knockdown suicide. Lets at least try to look at the positives, we did get a slight XP boost, and the unarmed damage has been upped (Unarmed hits actually help a bit now). I know it's been said a lot, but this new patch sucks. I don't like the idea of a class having no choice but to rely on 1 skill alone. I put all of the blame on SoE (big surprise). They unknowingly made our TKA class too weak to do anything on our own, but the knockdown technique made up for it so it kept the complaints down (a.k.a. the real problem wasn't being dealt with). The real problem isn't that we practically lost a technique, it's that we had to rely on it up to this point. What I want isfor a large boost in defenseand maybe a little more in offense to make itwhere it is our choice to use a skill in a battle, not a necessity. I am hoping this issue will be resolved soon in order to keep everyone who is a TKA from canceling their accounts.

Khalor
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:07 pm
#2

Unknowingly?
ElKaBoNg32
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:10 pm
#3

It's hard to try to keep 32 professions at least half-way balanced. They were probably so busy, they just asked the janitor to add the nerf's at the last second.
Aurilius
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:10 pm
#4

I'm not sure it was an XP boost, I think some mobs got tougher.


I know 2 of my pets had higher max HAM today. If this is the case then we have higher HAM mobs to papercut through with our defunct KD.




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Iri
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:11 pm
#5

BOCATTS!!! BOCATTS I TELL YOU!!!



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ElKaBoNg32
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:13 pm
#6

I would still like quite a bit more defense. Or at least some freaking dodging.
GloryBean
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:22 pm
#7

i was like 300 xp away from getting knockdown and was soooooo looking forward to it being a novice tk, and now this.....god hates me



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Grimror
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:25 pm
#8

They dont need to keep 32 professions balanced with eachother, just combat classes. Considering most of these combat classes have very little differences overall, one would think the task would be even easier.
ElKaBoNg32
Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:26 pm
#9

This is something that we all have to give some time to (like a day of two).It has hurt the class greatly, but it seems almost everyone is having simiar troubles. Hopefully we will be given something we can work with soon.


Thought that still doesn't excuse the bocatt incident (**edit**)!

Straker_Atrella
Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:47 pm
#10

Yes, I posted a thread much similiar to this on the Macor thread, but I wanted to talk about it here.


AFK is a problem, lack of content is a problem, bugs are problems. Obviously, buff bots are a problem, however, let's step back a second.


Why do people use buff bots? Is it because they dislike Entertainers? Don't care? Are cheap?


Maybe in some cases yes. However, most people simply use them because they are convieniant and they can get those most out of their hunting time. Lets look at the problem.



While you (and other,) may feel that buffs are not needed all the time,I agree. The problem is this. Some races and professions are heavily reliant on Mind Buffs, while others are less so.


"Joe player" comes home from work, he has beenlooking forward toNightsisters, Krayt, PVP, or whatever all day long. For each of those things, you NEED mind buffs, or you will die fast or are limited with your specials. This is his goal, his agenda, he should be able to do his plan. It is what he pays for. Food can help, but even with food, it is sometimes not enough, plus you hit full stomich times.


When everybody logs in, they have a plan. They should be able to do what they want, within limits of course, but if it's legal, they should be able to do it.


Please bear with me, I feel this is a very important point and part of the problem.

Now look at Joe Players time schedule.


-He goes to Coronet, finds a doc, gets buffed, gets Musician and Dancer buffs as well, woot.

-10 minute wait for the shuttle to Dath with his friends. No problem, they talk.

-10 Minute travel time until they get to where they find some NS.

- With 2 hours and 40 minutes left on Doc buffs, and 1 hour and 40 minutes on Entertainer buffs, they begin to hunt. Great fun commences.

-1 hour and 30 minutes later, they see their Entertainer buffs are almost gone. Let's head back and get some more.

-10 minutes back to Dath outpost. Crap no Entertainer here. Dang, there usualy is a buff bot.

-10 minute shuttle wait to Coronet.

- Crap, it's 2AM and no Entertainers are here, but a friend said there is one in Theed.

-10 minute wait to Theed.

-Woot, no line, we got our Entertainer buffs, 2 hours to go.

- Crap, we only have 30 minutes on our Doc buffs. We can't get buffed again until they fall.

-So what do we do? Go hunt for 30 minutes, then look for a doc? By the time we get Doc buffed again and back, we will only have 1 hour left on our Entertainer buffs, then we need to come back again.

- You know what, screw it, lets log.


I KNOW buff bots are bad, I KNOW they hurt Entertainers, but you can't ignore the poor game design that makes people LOVE buff bots.


Since Doc and Entertainer buffs have such different times, you are basically doubling your trips back to town, Either that or you go back once, then wait over an hour for your Doc buffs to fall.


This is why people love Buff bots near where they hunt, 10 minutes of inconvieinace, vice hours. It has nothing to do with hating Entertainers.


Imagine the above situation if you are Overt.Planet hoping without Mind buffs is bad, you can't stack them either.


Please please don't ignore the mind buff issue.

Kill buffbots, but please make the following changes.

1. Entertainer buffs last 3 hours, so theymatch Doc buffs better.

2. Both Entertainer AND Doc buffs stack on themselves. When one wears out, the other kicks in. Make your trip back to town worthwhile.


Those 2 changes will make the REASONS that people love buffs bots go away.


It is easy to hate buff bots and their users, they hurt your plans and agenda. Yet remember that Combatents are people as well, they have agendas that are just as valid as yours.


Please look at the problem, not just the solution.



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JohnMarble
Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:51 pm
#11


Hey man, Iempathize withyour plight. I am also a rifleman, in a guild that is active in PvP. Now imagine being a rifleman and being so opposed to buffbots, you refuse to use them. I get by.


You must understand, the afk'ers and buffbots have so completely devalued the professions, that this has led to the small numbers of entertainers. How many doctors do you think you'd find in front of the starport if there were bots giving away the exact same buffs in the med center? There would be zero starport docs, and people would start dropping the profession because it would be seen as pointless. Imagine being a noob and picking up entertainer because it sounds like it'd be fun. Then being told that you will make no money at it, that you'd make much better money as a novice scout rather than a master musician.


You must understand that recursive macros have devasted the ranks of non-mule non-alt entertainers. On my server, we have a chat channel, and I counted 15 active entertainers at 4:30 AM. Your server probably doesn't have one. I'd suggest you start seeking out live entertainers now, and adding them to your friends list.


Edit: does the trickfor getting four hour entertainer buffs still work? To be honest, I buff so little anymore I haven't tried in months. Apparently the devs underestimated people andnever thought docs could manage 3 hour buffs, thought they'd be two, and a lot less powerful.

Message Edited by JohnMarble on 08-06-2004 09:55 PM

Straker_Atrella
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:02 pm
#12






JohnMarble wrote:

Hey man, Iempathize withyour plight. I am also a rifleman, in a guild that is active in PvP. Now imagine being a rifleman and being so opposed to buffbots, you refuse to use them. I get by.


You must understand, the afk'ers and buffbots have so completely devalued the professions, that this has led to the small numbers of entertainers. How many doctors do you think you'd find in front of the starport if there were bots giving away the exact same buffs in the med center? There would be zero starport docs, and people would start dropping the profession because it would be seen as pointless. Imagine being a noob and picking up entertainer because it sounds like it'd be fun. Then being told that you will make no money at it, that you'd make much better money as a novice scout rather than a master musician.


You must understand that recursive macros have devasted the ranks of non-mule non-alt entertainers. On my server, we have a chat channel, and I counted 15 active entertainers at 4:30 AM. Your server probably doesn't have one. I'd suggest you start seeking out live entertainers now, and adding them to your friends list.







There are Doc buffbots though. Many of them. Yet still there is plenty of business to go around.


Don't get me wrong, I think buffbots are bad, real people are better. I also think a large portion of the population would prefer a real person to a bot.


The problem is that with Doc and Entertainer buff times not matching and not stacking it is just so inconvieniant.


Yes some inconvieniance is ok, people should be dependant on others. Yet forcing people to go to town twice as often, then sit around and wait is silly, make stuff match.


You PVP as a rifleman without mind buffs all the time. That is great, I try not to di, you will die when you fight another rifleman who does have mind buffs. With buffs my Mind hits 5000, I often fight other people with Mind just as high. If I fight somebody with less mind, they die.




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Jenden
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:51 pm
#13

you're starting to confuse me straker... here you argue that the buff system is the problem and that needs to be fixed, but recursive macros can go. The other threads on this board you argue that buffbots are necessary, and on the DE forums you argue that buffbots need to be killed by recursive macros need to stay. Make up your mind!



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