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Thread: Why do certain types of armour just not sell ?
jp_alone wrote:
In my wonderings as an AS I have noticed that certain types of armour just don't sell at all.
I'm wondering how much of this is due to people just not knowing how armour restances work and how much is because of the pre-CU mentality of "oh thats noob armour"
For example
Bone Armour and Padded Armour
both are battle and both can have the same protection
I place a set of bone armour on the vendor for say 150k (full set) and a set of Padded for 300k
both have the same resists and will do the same job in protecting the wearer why is it that the padded will sell and the bone will just sit there.
the guy buying his armour can save himself 150k and still be protected just as well but will not look so "cool" when grinding.
Is this the pre-cu mentality of "bone armour is noob armour" or just people not knowing that they have the same protection ?
I know that people like to look cool in their armour but when you are grinding all that xp and chewing through armour as fast as you currently are with the damage rates to armour it would make sense to me to get the cheepest option especially if it's going to have to be replaced.
what do you guys think ?
You've already got some of the answer, Bone armor is ugly. The other answer is that your 150K armor is getting dismissed at 1st glance without even a decent look over, people are thinking "something must be wrong with it".
It took me 2 months in game before I finally realized that I didn't care what I look like wearing Chitin & that since that set was so cheap I wouldn't have to stress about if this armor repair will destroy the piece of armor. I'm still stupid enough to not wanna wear the cheap Bones I see all over Starsider, but I will stockpile cheap mismatched pieces of the armors that I like to wear now depending on if I have the money. Alot of Bone armor is noob gear, offering 3K base protection & all that suck, you see enough of that & eventually you start tuning it out, that's the way I see it.
Battle armor, specializing in nothing, always overlooked for Assault & Recon cause we're either PvP'ing or PvE'ing & would like our resists to be 6K or above. Battle gets all the hate.
Oku Kee'lus Fashion is certainly a consideration, perhaps the main one. Each armor skin has its fans and detractors. I know a number of rangery types who were thrilled that bone armor was now a viable option. But style is a matter of taste, and there's not much you can do to change what people think looks good. And most people don't think bone looks good.
As the second poster stated, pricing is also a consideration. I agree that if you price bone at half the price of padded, it will get passed over more often than not. I don't know if you really do that or if you were just making a point. My first job out of college was working for a PR firm on the account of a major power tool manufacturer. The company was launching a line of contractor-grade tools, and even though they could have priced them below the competition, they didn't. To do so in that market would be like saying your product was inferior to those that cost more. There was a real you-get-what-you-pay-for mentality among those customers that I think our armor buyers share.
pykescylla wrote:
There was a real you-get-what-you-pay-for mentality among those customers that I think our armor buyers share.
It's odd to see some of my guildies armour from before I started producing that is lower quality than the stuff I'm trying to sell and I have educated my guild now so they look for stats over appearance most of the time.
The last set of paddedI sold was two shades of pink and meant as a joke to the guy who asked for it (he failed to specify colour) and he saw the funny side but because it's some of my best and he got it at my normal prices he doesn't complain and we all get to dig at the Zabrak pikeman in the pink armour every time we see him 
He has seen other sets for more creds with lower rating but as he is now properly educated on armour he is sticking with his pink padded untill it is no longer useable and he has learnt his lesson when placing custom orders.
My real point wasn't why isn't my stuff selling but why does some appearances sell when others don't and asI got the feeling you would you saw that, my faith in the AS comunity is confirmed 
Just wanted to see if you all had the same instinct that I did on this.
I hate seeing composite, ubese and padded/maurauder being the main armours in use.
pykescylla wrote:
As the second poster stated, pricing is also a consideration. I agree that if you price bone at half the price of padded, it will get passed over more often than not. I don't know if you really do that or if you were just making a point. My first job out of college was working for a PR firm on the account of a major power tool manufacturer. The company was launching a line of contractor-grade tools, and even though they could have priced them below the competition, they didn't. To do so in that market would be like saying your product was inferior to those that cost more. There was a real you-get-what-you-pay-for mentality among those customers that I think our armor buyers share.
Thats a great point and you wonder why people complain when armour costs so much when this sort of mentality is out there, people need to learn that more expensive is not necessarily better.
Just my opinion but.....
One of the purposes of retooling AS in the CU was to get players to wear something other than comp. Once comp was not the end all-be allof of common armor types people did change. In my expereince Comp, Padded and Ubese are generally the armors of choice now. Since CU I have not had any requests for bone chitin or even much Marauder (which I think is the classiest looking armor). I think (as other's do) that if the prots are the same it comes down to a matter of style.
So the CU did succeed in putting a more varied look in the game.
yeah.
ChemicalBrother wrote:
You've already got some of the answer, Bone armor is ugly. The other answer is that your 150K armor is getting dismissed at 1st glance without even a decent look over, people are thinking "something must be wrong with it".
It took me 2 months in game before I finally realized that I didn't care what I look like wearing Chitin & that since that set was so cheap I wouldn't have to stress about if this armor repair will destroy the piece of armor. I'm still stupid enough to not wanna wear the cheap Bones I see all over Starsider, but I will stockpile cheap mismatched pieces of the armors that I like to wear now depending on if I have the money. Alot of Bone armor is noob gear, offering 3K base protection & all that suck, you see enough of that & eventually you start tuning it out, that's the way I see it.
Battle armor, specializing in nothing, always overlooked for Assault & Recon cause we're either PvP'ing or PvE'ing & would like our resists to be 6K or above. Battle gets all the hate.
Bone armor being ugly is a good reason why no one wears Bone but doesn't explain the rest. There is obviously some underlying idea of there still being "noob armor" since no one ever comes to me and says "I want a custom suit of Mabari!"
This I find ridiculous for several reasons...looks at what it takes to make Mabari appearance....it takes nothing hard to find like other armors. (GOd how I hate scouring the galaxy for halfway decent Avian bone just to make Tantel.) And let's face it , besides Marauder there is no armor that can be colored better.
Also I know there are people out there trying to ADK a uber energy suit of Recon, yet they all seem to do it with Ubese even though Mabari has only 3 (3!!!!) pieces that need to be ADK'd.
So obviously there is still an entire group of Mabari/Bone/Chitin haters out there. Chitin and Bone I can understand, they truly are as ugly as armor gets. But Mabari is actually very nice looking. It is very detailed and comes in a very cool color scheme. Seems a shame to have it be nothing more than a sidenote.
Message Edited by ToriStarshaker on 09-29-2005 03:39 PM
ToriStarshaker wrote:
Bone armor is just not Star Wars!Message Edited by ToriStarshaker on 09-29-2005 03:39 PM
I think it is. The Star Wars universe has always had an eclectic mix of technology, cultures, and worlds. Compare the grubby tech of Tatooine with the pastoral setting of Dantooine to the planetary city of Coruscant. It always seemed odd to me that something as sophisticated as repulsorlift technology would be incorporated into something as antique looking as Jabba's skiff. I've always liked the mix of primitive and high tech, streamlined and industrial, that Star Wars offered.
but its peoples tast I also have bone stockt next to padded and marauder ..... padded and marauder sells 10times faster then bone....
same for Composite and Chitin.... people like the modern armors more proberly because its StarWars ... een SF game
I think it is most that some armours is still demead as noob armour not that they look ugly, because bone looks awesome on a mon cal or rodian and chitin looks good on females that gives them a hot leathalbug queen look, Mambari looks awesome alsoif right persons wear it, a trando in mambari looks not so good as a sabrak or human, but a trando in tantel looks better at least in my taste. I also have seen that some mix of armours may look better then pure armours, saw an awesome chitin composite mix that was alot better looking then any of them for them self, same with ubeese tantel and mambari mix i have seen. What i like is we arent all composite clones any more.
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