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Thread: Can new armorsmiths compete?
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Suburbia
Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:19 pm
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Would a new armorsmith be able to compete with already existing armorsmiths on a server? Also, how does getting extra armor experimentation points work? Can a new armorsmiths armor compete with an established armorsmith with alot of credits who can buy extra experimentation SEA's? Thanks for your help im contemplating whether or not it would be good for me to start or if its kind of a lost cause.
Suburbia
Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:21 pm
#2
oh, i forgot. i know weaponsmiths can get a weaponsmith toolkit, is there any quest schematic that makes something like that for armorsmiths?
Intrepid1888
Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:25 pm
#3
Suburbia wrote:Would a new armorsmith be able to compete with already existing armorsmiths on a server? Also, how does getting extra armor experimentation points work? Can a new armorsmiths armor compete with an established armorsmith with alot of credits who can buy extra experimentation SEA's? Thanks for your help im contemplating whether or not it would be good for me to start or if its kind of a lost cause.
If you're new to the game, the answer is most definitely NO. Unless you've bought a lot of ebay'd credits and resources.
If you've been playing for the better part of a year (since Jun 2003) and stockpiling those special resources (colat, polysteel, crism, nabooian fiberplast, kiirium, wooly hide, stuff like that) and have 900's in OQ / SR / MA / UT as applicable, then you have a chance.
With the borgle loot being changed, all existing tapes are now priceless, and will be until the dev's do something about it (don't hold your breath...)
In other words, good luck. I'd rather take the spring / summer break from MMOGs and give WoW a try if it's released in November.
iamcount
Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:10 pm
#4
Yes you can. Especially now. Hook up with a tailor and read the boards in search of upcoming wookie armor. On the last wookie armor the boards posted what was needed for wood and hide a fewdays before it was released. Most of the established (rich) armorsmiths didnt bother (on my galaxy anyway) and i made several million by getting the resouces and hooking up with a tailor.
As far as other stuff, the answer is still yes. Money will be tight at first but buy medium or heavy harvesters ASAP. Ive only been an armorsmith for 2 months and only a master for 1 month. Yet we have had uber spawns (OQ+SR>1800) of polymer, steel, ore, polysteel copper, iron, and wooley hide. And there have been spawns of >1600 of leather and fiberplast and armor gemstones.
I dont use nightsister or krayt scales and i dont have any experimentation tapes but i can craft 75% Ubese and 66% base composite or 36% stunwith 60% base. I am very competitive. Also get in a guild and/or city with perks. My city gave me a bike and house when I joined. When I joined my guild the guild architect gave me 50% off harvesters, the doctor free buffs and the tailor 1/2 price cloth, fiber, and rein fiber.
But you cant be lazy. You got to go collect the best resources. You have to scour the "going out of business sales. You got to deliver to vendors. You got to undercut your peers. But the work pays off. I have 5-10 emails and even more tells of ppl who have heard of me and want some armor. Hard work but very fruitful in the end.
Drewpey
Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:53 am
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Most definately yes. I thought about this before I became an AS, and have become quite sucessful, although I have been at it a while, I am still making the same quality I was a month or so into master. You just have to keep your eyes open, and throw everything you have at resources that come up. The trick is to make good armor, and market to a certain crowd. Either find a group of brawlers, and sell them good ubese for a decent price, or go into a player city, and sell good armor, and keep well stocked, or just get into a good guild and provide for the guild. Either way, make friends, and save your money. The more money you get, the more resources you can buy, and the more money you will get.
Personally, I would not waste my money on experimentation tapes. I don't have any extra points, but I have no problem moving armor. I think that its kind of overrated, but thats just me.
Start with wookiee armor. That is your best chance. You are pretty much on a level playing ground with the other AS's no matter what server you go onto. You will be starting without the resources like everyone else (most likely) and like said above, get some harvestors and become friends with some scouts for hide. Make a name for yourself with wookiee armor and then move into others.
I know on my server, armorsmiths are fewer and fewer everyday. When I walk through a player city I typically get asked to join or at least put up a vendor. Bottom line is if you make good products, they will sell. Those people who buy will reccomend you, and then before you know it people travel from another planet to buy your armor, and then you start rolling in the "big bucks".....so you can blow it all on hide....
SlastCutne
Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:47 am
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I grinded up to Techniques 4 then started making each of the armours as i gained the xp.
There is a market for ALL armours in the game - newer players with little cash are happy to buy 30% resist bone and mabari, while Chitin can be very effective with good experimentation. Not everyone wants to (or can wear)Uber Resist/HAM composite.
If you also spend some points on Tailoring you can make a fair bit of sideline cash out of selling the components such as synthetic cloth, reinforced fiber panels and armour padding (for the new wookie armour). For some reason a lot of Tailors are reluctant to make these available to the general armoursmithing community (unless you have a special relationship with one), so the market is there.
Go for it! Armoursmithing is fun either way.
Djferio
Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:47 am
#7
I'm a new Armorsmith and i already am selling lots of armor to people, so you can defintely compete with old armorsmiths :-)
Suburbia
Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:02 am
#8
ok thanks alot for all your input guys 
. I think im gonna start armorsmith real soon.
. I think im gonna start armorsmith real soon.
Alrich_Palasor
Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:03 am
#9
Can the new armorsmiths compete against established armorsmiths? No.
But then again, new armorsmiths shouldn't be trying to compete against the Masters. They can make composite and high quality ubese, you can't... simple enough.
Now I think your question truly is, "Can a new armorsmith make money?" The answer is most definitely yes.
I kept food on the table (so to speak) for myself in the early days of armorsmithing by selling mabari and chitin on the bazaar. You won't make a ton of money, but you'll make some, especially if you price competitevly. As another poster mentioned, new players are willing to buy the stuff made by inexperienced armorsmiths because it's pretty dirt cheap. There is a market out there for your stuff. Unfortunately the hologrinders have caused people to overlook some of the 'low level' armors.
But then again, new armorsmiths shouldn't be trying to compete against the Masters. They can make composite and high quality ubese, you can't... simple enough.
Now I think your question truly is, "Can a new armorsmith make money?" The answer is most definitely yes.
I kept food on the table (so to speak) for myself in the early days of armorsmithing by selling mabari and chitin on the bazaar. You won't make a ton of money, but you'll make some, especially if you price competitevly. As another poster mentioned, new players are willing to buy the stuff made by inexperienced armorsmiths because it's pretty dirt cheap. There is a market out there for your stuff. Unfortunately the hologrinders have caused people to overlook some of the 'low level' armors.
Ainwyn
Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:05 pm
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I agree with those before you posted affirmatives. If you care about the resources you put in your armor, care about the people who will be wearing your armor, and aren't in the profession just to make a quick buck before dropping it (and then wonder why no one wants your overpriced crap), then you can build a customer-base which will expand and keep you busy. If, on the other hand, you see armorsmith as a get rich quick scam..... you might sell some armor to those who don't look around and see your stuff for what it is.
SEAs? I have been picking up a few here and there. I am not going to put them into anything until I am sure I can maximise their use (which means I might hold on to the +2 armor exerimentation with +2 something else too until they fix SEAs to work like in they published in the Friday feature a few weeks ago). I actually am glad the Bat cave seems to be nerfed. I know it will raise the already inflated prices of the experimentation tapes, but the flip side of it is worse. I wish they would put in a crafted item for armorsmiths like -all- of the other crafting professions giving an experimentation (or make the tailor one for both or just us cause other than the -new- padding tailors don't experiment).
SEAs? I have been picking up a few here and there. I am not going to put them into anything until I am sure I can maximise their use (which means I might hold on to the +2 armor exerimentation with +2 something else too until they fix SEAs to work like in they published in the Friday feature a few weeks ago). I actually am glad the Bat cave seems to be nerfed. I know it will raise the already inflated prices of the experimentation tapes, but the flip side of it is worse. I wish they would put in a crafted item for armorsmiths like -all- of the other crafting professions giving an experimentation (or make the tailor one for both or just us cause other than the -new- padding tailors don't experiment).
Drewpey
Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:21 pm
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Actually, you should go onto a server, find out who some good names are in armor, and basically become an "apprentice". You can offer your lots to them, in exchange for money, or just a % of the resources, and any jobs they don't want to do can be reffered to you. I was "mentored" be a master armorsmith, and now we craft different types of armor b/c its difficult to make them all with good quality. We are always helping each other out.
You can either make friends with the other armorsmiths and help each other out with resources, hide, hookups, etc...or you can try to overtake the market, piss everyone off and start an undercutting war. Most armorsmiths that are still around and really nice, and welcome good competition that want to make good armor...its just when we find a "flavor of the week" and/or holosmiths that just pump the market full of junk is when it starts getting annoying...don't be that guy...
--Dewi
Aroogala
Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:44 am
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no, but u can make stuff that people will wear for fashion, like padded and tantel, that most of us MAS are too busy to make.
Djferio
Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:47 am
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Alrich_Palasor wrote:
Can the new armorsmiths compete against established armorsmiths? No.
But then again, new armorsmiths shouldn't be trying to compete against the Masters. They can make composite and high quality ubese, you can't... simple enough.
I can make 71% base, 80% kinetic 79% electricity composite and im only2 weeks old in armorsmith.
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