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Thread: The CU has come and gone, does anyone here think layers are actually worth making?
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mu6sta9ng
Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:49 am
#1
After a month or 2, I am completely convinced that layers actually are a waste of resources. Do I use them, sometimes, but rarely. Primus gives a +2%/+2%/-3% generally, whoopty do. Energy and kinetic give a +4%/-7 to 8%. The added cost makes quad layered armor annoying to make, and virtually unnecissary. Over 10,000 hard to get, named resources used in each suit for a 2-4% boost, and you lose nearly double what you gain. What looks like better armor
56% /35% /48% or 52% /43% /48% for energy and kinetic (Maybe for jedi hunting, but cant sabres do kinetic damage too?)
50% /50% / 45% or 48% /48% /48% for primus battle(only one i think *might* be worth it)
I know that customers are mostly oblivious to the new system, but I almost feel bad about selling layered armor. Anyone else have thoughts about this.
Firehammer - Eclipse
Keeper32
Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:58 am
#2
Layers aren't worth the time it took to code them.
A few measly % difference for 4 times the resources of an unlayered suit? I wonder what blix was on when he thought that up...
Vastar
Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:25 am
#4
They're not worth it in terms of cost to protection. The value is in the customers' perception of layered armor. I'm guessing that if they'd left things listed as a percentage rather than a "meaningless" number, people wouldn't be interested in the layered stuff.
Corum31
Sat Jul 02, 2005 1:53 pm
#5
me personally use layers a lot as i dont have uber resources and they bolster the defence up
Shadow2k
Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:05 pm
#6
PvP'rs like myself will always pay a premium for better quality armor, regardless of how small the difference may be. I mean, you're talking about players that spent ungodly amounts to get 90%, as opposed to 88 or 89. 
Crusaders
Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:03 pm
#8
yes they are worth it that 3 or 4 or 5% every hot adds up over time/ if your just grinding no prob not but over all I'd have to say yes they are worth it and since they removed the resist increase slices worth even more so 
nikko11
Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:31 pm
#9
I don't currently see them as worth making, unless I have a large quantity of the resources required lying around, even if only mediocre stats overall..
Zabava
Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:04 pm
#10
Clients still remember my pre-CU 90% stuff ,and they still ask for the very best armor. I havea lot of good resources, it's not wise to use it for unlayered .
Brutus_Krylop
Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:50 am
#11
As long as I can make money off of it, it's worth making. Whether it's worth buying or not, that's not up to us to decide.
For players, particularly PvPers with lots of disposable wealth, I think the extra % or two is worth it. But for the average player or customer, unlayered is probably the way to go.
grrutuck
Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:28 am
#12
Unless you have a good stash of real high quality resources, layered stuff is coming out about the same as Looted ADV Recon, Battle and Assault Cores. So, why waste literally days of factory time tens of thousandsof resources making layers that in fact wont be any better than simply using a good stack of looted?
No reason to at all.
That said, if all the right resources spawned with high enough stats, I'd probably layer stuff. Just the overall % of Layers needs to be 80-90 to even match some looted.
IMO Primus layers need a little more give in them, it shouldnt be so much of a struggle to make complex components better than looted...
RelicOMO
Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:44 am
#13
grrutuck wrote:
Unless you have a good stash of real high quality resources, layered stuff is coming out about the same as Looted ADV Recon, Battle and Assault Cores. So, why waste literally days of factory time tens of thousandsof resources making layers that in fact wont be any better than simply using a good stack of looted?
No reason to at all.
That said, if all the right resources spawned with high enough stats, I'd probably layer stuff. Just the overall % of Layers needs to be 80-90 to even match some looted.
IMO Primus layers need a little more give in them, it shouldnt be so much of a struggle to make complex components better than looted...
Not sure what you're looting, but all looted cores/segments aren't even as good as the unlayered cap. Curious to see what cores you are looting that are better than layered.
Average stats for looted assault cores off a krayt are something like 6400 kin/4400 energy/5400 base. Seen many lower, a few higher. That isn't even as good as unlayered.
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