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Thread: Kinetic protection layer limits

afit_crestrider
Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:21 pm
#1

Hi


I am trying to make composite armor , but am unsure where to put my exp points for the kinetic layers , which level do i max out to get the best chance of ending up with high special protection and base ?
Keuller
Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:45 pm
#2

These recommendations assume you are making composite. Ubese is vastly different!

Top line = Encumberance (I max this line out second, if possible)
Middle line = Base effectiveness (I max this line out first) Math is: 1%+4%*(Experimentation value for this line as a decimal)
Bottom line = Special Kinetic Protection (I don't bother experimenting on this line) Math: 1%+14%*(Experimentation value for this line as a decimal)



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TalynMox
Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:53 pm
#3

For the layers, I would max out the bottom (special) line and put the remaining points into base. With luck you'll come out with about a 2% base/13% Kinetic layer. From there experiment for base protection on the segment and final combine, with remaining points going into durability.

On chilastra, this will easily yield about 65+% Base/80% Kinetic/78+% Electrical on the final piece of armour. Also, bear in mind that you can slightly improve on this if you're prepared to spend the time and resources to get amazing successes on all experimentation attempts.



Hope this helps






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AegolinAdaron
Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:44 pm
#4






TalynMox wrote:

For the layers, I would max out the bottom (special) line and put the remaining points into base. With luck you'll come out with about a 2% base/13% Kinetic layer. From there experiment for base protection on the segment and final combine, with remaining points going into durability.

On chilastra, this will easily yield about 65+% Base/80% Kinetic/78+% Electrical on the final piece of armour. Also, bear in mind that you can slightly improve on this if you're prepared to spend the time and resources to get amazing successes on all experimentation attempts.



Hope this helps







OMG please no!!!! Do NOT max out the bottom line of your layers for composite armor unless you want to waste valuable experimentation points.Max outquality (2nd row) and use any remaining points for encumberance (1st row).


Emily


justapilgrim
Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:33 am
#5






Vattio wrote:

Yes, dont put any points into special on a kinetic layer if its for composite, all points into base(quality) and durability the left overs. you only need 4% special for 80% kinetic composite.







now everyone has different ways of doing this


type A 80% kinetic (any master can make)


max base (middle row) then dump remaining in to top row (encumberence), do the same on segs. I end up with 69% base 80% kinetic composite


type B 80% kinetic (may require 12 exp points to do it right)


max top row (encum) with right resources your Ham will be 1/1/1 or 2/2/2 (very nice and light), then put1-2 points into middle row (base) and 2-3 points into bottom (special)


on segs you can either max top and dump rest into base or do about half and half


my end product is 80% kinetic and 62-63% base and quite light HAM is around 450/450/520 or something like that, there are other smiths making lighter 80% kinetic on my server



Valcyn has almost every 12 point smith making the type B composite. The days of the 800 HAM monstrosities is going away. I think that armor is far superior and better than the high base 80% kinetic stuff.


So, please all you smiths posting, don't tell people that their way is "right" or "wrong" it is all in the eye of the beholder.I thin kValcyn has many innovative smiths and some of you could learn another trick or two if you expand your creativity a bit




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AegolinAdaron
Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:02 am
#6






justapilgrim wrote:


So, please all you smiths posting, don't tell people that their way is "right" or "wrong" it is all in the eye of the beholder.I thin kValcyn has many innovative smiths and some of you could learn another trick or two if you expand your creativity a bit





If you do not agree that it is a waste of points (= wrong)to max out experimental resistance (3rd row) on your layers when making composite armor, then you should go back to armorsmith school right now.


Emily
Vattio
Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:47 pm
#7

Yes, dont put any points into special on a kinetic layer if its for composite, all points into base(quality) and durability the left overs. you only need 4% special for 80% kinetic composite.
TalynMox
Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:54 pm
#8






AegolinAdaron wrote:





TalynMox wrote:

For the layers, I would max out the bottom (special) line and put the remaining points into base. With luck you'll come out with about a 2% base/13% Kinetic layer. From there experiment for base protection on the segment and final combine, with remaining points going into durability.

On chilastra, this will easily yield about 65+% Base/80% Kinetic/78+% Electrical on the final piece of armour. Also, bear in mind that you can slightly improve on this if you're prepared to spend the time and resources to get amazing successes on all experimentation attempts.



Hope this helps







OMG please no!!!! Do NOT max out the bottom line of your layers for composite armor unless you want to waste valuable experimentation points.Max outquality (2nd row) and use any remaining points for encumberance (1st row).


Emily









I stand corrected, - /bow Emily






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Vattio
Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:16 am
#9


justapilgrim,

From what the poster asked, this is the most reliable way to make 80% kinetic.. they didnt ask how to do stun they didnt ask to dink with lots of rows to make low ham armor that will more then likely take 12 points. They asked for high sp and base.
Periak
Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:39 am
#10






justapilgrim wrote:



I guess you don't make stun armor


like I said, dont flame people there may be a wrong way to do things, but that is your own opinion











well, since the post is about kinetic armor... I think emily is giving the advice that needs giving.




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justapilgrim
Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:03 pm
#11






AegolinAdaron wrote:





justapilgrim wrote:


So, please all you smiths posting, don't tell people that their way is "right" or "wrong" it is all in the eye of the beholder.I thin kValcyn has many innovative smiths and some of you could learn another trick or two if you expand your creativity a bit






If you do not agree that it is a waste of points (= wrong)to max out experimental resistance (3rd row) on your layers when making composite armor, then you should go back to armorsmith school right now.


Emily






I guess you don't make stun armor


like I said, dont flame people there may be a wrong way to do things, but that is your own opinion





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justapilgrim
Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:40 pm
#12

the first post was short and not too in depth


he asked about kintic and special (electric anyone?)


he is obviously new and needs help


i tried to do that, there are really crappy ways to make 80% kinitic composite, BUT....more than one right way





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Kung Fu Armor 80% kin 69% base (375k) Kung Fu Light (NEW) 80% kin 62% base (375k) S.S.S. Composite (NEW) 80% kin 79% energy 66% base and Yokozuna S.S.S. (NEW) 80% energy 62% base 4% stun and superlight 74% ubese, wookie armor, psgs, mabari belts, ubese shirts all in plentiful supply








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AegolinAdaron
Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:43 pm
#13






justapilgrim wrote:


.....he is obviously new and needs help....




Exactly! And that's why I gave him my advice, I do not see anyone flaming.


Emily


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