Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Wookiee armor
NarCranor wrote:
Wouldnt it make more sense to wait on this until after episode III, which is supposed to feature a battle on kashyyyk, and make feature some armored wookiees?
Well I think the movies are not a good enough reason to completely strangle an aspect of the game - but even taking that up, just as athought - episode 3's events happen quite a many years before the current period represented by the game. So your argument that a movie about events that have happened already bythis time period before it would make sense is - well - very silly.
arobus06 wrote:
most of the bowcasters that I have seen ingame suck compaired to other rifles (Im a rifleman in game) and I would hate for this wookiee armor to go the same direction because of limiting who can make it. I would be happy to support letting non wooks craft bowcasters (some how change it so that wookiees are still better at using them though) that way everybody can get one and it will be a decent weapon for once. I just hope the new armor isnt wookiee only on the crafting side.
I get the impression you are linking the less than impressive stats of the bowcaster to the fact wookiees must make them? You saying that wookiees (and thusly the players behind them) can't craft worth a damn? I take offense! I been making them to the best of my ability since August last year, and they won't be any better if I happened to be of a difference race (and was able to make them). Their stats are inherent.
The worry I have will be the lack of wookiee armoursmiths. Since wookiees could never wear armour before it was a bit of a bummer for a wookiee to try armoursmithing as they wouldn't be able to use what they make!
Bottom line - the stats are inherent to the item, and not necessarily coupled with the race of the crafter.
cshauny wrote:
Yet someone else who is talking without knowing all the facts:
Cebre_Opasloa wrote:
Let's not forget that armour only encumbers the secondary stats...
Yes, let us NOT forget this because it forms the basis of what i'm about to say next...
If Wookiees get armour equivalent to the composite armour that other races use, their primary stat bonuses including the 350 point bonus to health alone mean that they wil be the new Uber race, and we're gonna see a whole ton of Wookiees out there with little else. Mark my words...being a Wookiee will be the new template-du-jour...
Ah yes, everyone is going to dump the characters that they have built up over months just to start from scratch as a Wookie right? Wookies somehow become the new FOTM despite not being a profession. And how exactly do we become the new uber race? Did you hear something I didn't about Wookies getting something like composite armor? Nope, nothing like that has been said.
Of course not everyone is going to dump the characters that they have built up, but whether they do it or not is a deliberate choice on their part. Many will do it because of the pervasive desire to be "l33t" and "uber". All other things being equal, Wookiees do get an 700 HAM points as opposed to other races. Many people including myself can't even wear their armor without buffs to artificially increase our secondary stats, resulting in a secondary stat of 1 point when my buffs wear off. Wookiees would likely be in the same situation, but their extra700 points could easily be migrated to the primariy stats while their secondaries would remain at 1 point the same as mine which is undeniably a major advantage.
Face facts, 80-90% composite armour IS what other races are using, I see lots of it on the servers. You can deny you want it, but when you ask for equivalent armour that IS what you're asking for. If you want that, then all races should get the same HAM bonus numbers...why should Wookiees get an extra 700 points when they're getting armour the same as the rest of us? Anyone care to answer that?
Speaking about secondary stats, our secondary stats are capped which makes us weaker than all other species. What's the point in having +700 HAM if you're not going to be able to migrate it and use it effectively?
Everything else being equal with regards to armour and buffs in PvP, the stat bonuses that Wookiees get give them a decided major advantage.
Saying my argument is invalid by using an example of a composite wearing human vs. a non-armour wearing Wookiee is comparing apples to oranges. Compare a human and Wookiee together with neither wearing armour and I feel sorry for the human. Wookiee will win every time unless human is VERY VERY lucky.
Yes you're argument is invalid. A Wookie won't win everytime because our secondaries are capped. Humans can migrate their stats to a much greater effect such that they will ALWAYS win a battle against a Wookies.
Also, when did you last see a human NOT wearing armor against a Wookie. Atleast you'll have the choice to wear it or not. Many of the players I duel offer to take off their armor just so that the battle is fun and not decided befor it even began.
Wookiee armour equal to others' armour does not create balance, it creates imbalance by overcompensating for the imbalance that exists now.
If Wookiees gotta have armour it should be lower resist armour compared to the other races for balance to occur.
Did WE say that we want 80-90% composite armour. No, all we want is armor equivalent to what all the other races use so that we can be on a level playing field.
Cebre_Opasloa wrote:
Face facts, 80-90% composite armour IS what other races are using, I see lots of it on the servers. You can deny you want it, but when you ask for equivalent armour that IS what you're asking for. If you want that, then all races should get the same HAM bonus numbers...why should Wookiees get an extra 700 points when they're getting armour the same as the rest of us? Anyone care to answer that?
For one, those extra 700 aren't as great as you people seem to think it is - take a careful read over these posts; it has been iterated time and time again about the caps. The 700 isn't there to spend as we like - it is locked into places, and other secondaries totally capped.
And while you're reading the posts, have a nice look at how many times a lot of us wooks say "take the 700 HAM". We appreciate the need for balance there. I've seen people joke about keeping the 700 HAM and having us at an advantage for the next 8 months while 'devs look into it' but that's just a satirical point on the fact that is what we had to deal with for so long as is.
If we're getting armour the same potential as everyone else - take the 700 HAM I say. And so do most of us. As has been posted time and time again.
Drakforge wrote:
I do not uderstand why in the first plac wookies where given a CH bonus instead of a brawler bonus... Trans should get a AR bonus and there regen.. wookies a bunch of brawler and attack bonus with melee weapons. CH bonus?! hmm no idea where that idea came up.
Hey Cebre_Opasloa, what race do you play? I wonder why you aren't complaining about Trando's who are wearing composite armor, have large HAM bonuses and have a bonus to their unarmed brawling damage? Surely you don't seea need to complain about them simply based upon the fact that they don't get to wear the boots and gloves. Why, I wonder, don't you complain about humans who canuse templates like doctor/rifleman and set their threemind stats so high that they essentially never run out of mindpoints, and of course they get composite armor so theytake next to no damage.For pete's sake, if you're going to argue a point, a least pick a point worth argueing.
You, like me and everyone else, has no idea how many pieces of armor wookiees are going toget to wear. We have no idea what the HAM costs are going to be, and we have no idea what the resists will be like. So, why not hold your complaints until you have something to complain about? Let us wookiees be happy that we are getting something finally, and if you are still mad that you aren't getting something in return, allow me to direct you to the core systems board where you can make your concerns known and rally some support and maybe get something changed.
My final comment to you is this; I also play a zabrak character because I got so tired of my wookiee getting beat down. My zabrak wears 74% kinetic resistubese full time with a BE enhanced,melee/stun defenseshirt. This is what I use for my day in and day out running around hunting. I never take any of it off except to put on my 80%+ pvp composite suit. I have medic skills. Without buffs I can hunt NO problem despite the fact that my secondaries get dropped to 1. What difference do they make when I can spam attack after attack, get hit for minimal damage from the mobs I fight, constantly lose health and action, but just keep doing heal after heal? I'll tell you, it makes no difference that those stats are at 1. That armor keeps my zabrak alive long enough to get the heals off and that's all that counts. It's a lot easier to manage health and action damage when you are getting hit for small amounts. Wookiees do not enjoy that luxury. The point of all this is simply that HAM bonuses/values, to me, are a very moot point. Even if my zabrak didn't wear the armor I believe that he would survive longer than my wookiee is likely to because..../drumroll.....he's got equilibrium! If you have experience with this skill you should know that it alone carries more weight than HAM ever will. No other race can effectively use up their whole mind bar in combat, hit a button and bring that bar back to almost full, and then keep on fighting. TKA zabraks can do it twice thanks to Force of Will!! Nowthat's uber! But I don't enjoy my zabrak the way I do my wookiee. I want to play my wookiee because it fits my personallity. Soon as I have armor my wookiee is coming back out of storage and my zabrak will just be my doctor twinky that sits around buffing my wookiee.