Armorsmith Archive

Thread: Wookiee armor

dhcpSilicon
Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:24 am
#430






MatBrown wrote:


I would like to suggest that this be a Wookiee Schematic, like the Bowcaster, not an Armorsmith schematic.


If it is judged that this is a bad idea, and the schematic should simply be given to all Armorsmiths of appropriate skill, then I would ask why it is a good idea for the Bowcaster, but not for the Armor.


I guess when it comes right down to it, it isn't so important to me how it is handled, as much as it is important that it be handled in a consistent fashion.







I have one reason: It's already hard enough to find an armorsmith for the kind of armor EVERYONE wears, without having to special-order a suit of Wookiee armor from a Wookiee armorsmith. Besides, normal smithies can accomodate anyone from a Bothan, to a Mon Cal, to a Trandoshan, so the argument that only a Wookiee understands Wookiee body mechanics is moot.
MatBrown
Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:40 am
#431

You didn't address the question that I already told you I was going to ask. If this is a bad idea, then why is it a good idea to only allow Wookiee Weaponsmiths to make Bowcasters? It has exactly the same problem with having to track down a Wookiee Weaponsmith to order it from.
Arasett
Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:10 am
#432


People are still using the continuity argument huh?? Just because one Wookiee(Chewbacca) didn't wear armor in the movies, it doesn't mean other Wookiees didn't. If I am not mistaken Snoova wore some type of armor. To solely base your arguement on continuity is ridiculous. Continuity is lacking in ALL aspects of the game.


I never saw wookiees in the movies wearing Battlepadding, Travelers Helms or Sage Hoods.....why don't you guys /cry nerf to those as well. There is no difference between the two. It's amazing how many people will come up with the lamest of excuses, if they feel they are going to be threatened in their Uber PvP world. Hah! Get over yourself.


In all Honesty, Wookiees should be better than mostspecies in combat. However, that is not what wookiees have been asking for months and months and months. We just want to be even.


I do think that when wookiee armor comes out, wookiees will RULE PvP. Not because of the armor, but because of the fact that over the last 6 months we have had to make radical adjustments toour playing style to compensate for our lack of armor. It had made us alot betteras players.


Another thing people tend to forget is the lack of armor attachments that can be used by every other species except wookiees.


Well, all in all itsjust sad when people have nothing better to do, then rain on other people's parade. You sure don't see me trolling the forums calling for a nerf to composite. /tsk /tsk



Btw to all who oppose wookiee armor, this game is not about Uber you think you are in PvP. Its about being part of a team or guild and being able to make a significant contribution in your chosen profession. This game is StarWars not StarDuels.


Arasett


/wookieehug TH!!!!



Corsica_DarkCloud
Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:31 am
#433






AntUK wrote:





cshauny wrote:





AntUK wrote:



What are you basing your comment on that Wookies are a race that don't wear armour? That right, absolutely nothing. No where has it been said that Wookies can't wear armour. This whole bloody argument has gone round and round in circles. People have constantly shown that no where has it every been stated that Wookies can't wear armour, either in this game, in the EU or even in the movies.


People are so quick to jump in with phrases like 'feel of the game' or 'continutity' but yet they don't comment on the number of Jedi running around, 'Pokemon Wars', non-humans in Imperial service etc. etc.


Me i base it simply on the film, Chewbacca was goin to Endor to shut down down a shield generator, and what does he wear to protect himself, thats right nothing, going to an imperial conreolled out post wit hstormies and blaster fire and he decides not towear his wookie armour... and dont get me started about other "look and feel" of star wars issues.. jedi and armour, amount of Jedis and whipping out a ATST out of ur back pocket, Rebels being paid..but they are other arguements no place for them here



This has got to stop. By making a rash generalization and saying that we're getting thsi because of 'moaning' and 'whigning', you are just putting down all the time and effort so many of us have taken to come up with reasoned and comprehensive ideas and then get them through to KStafire who has done a lot of hardwork in pushing this through for us.


Yup you do make a good point generalisation was probably wrong but can u blame me? i come here to post to suggest stuff i got to the GCW zone .i get 4 threads in large text with "wooKEES NEEdZ armour DEVZ" i go into the game guides zone and same thing i get it in my server forum. You see what im building up there are as you say people going around it in the right ways and they probably unfairly get tarred with a smilarbrush its a shame and it happens.


Do you even know what the armour will look like? No. No one here does. They definitley arent' going to give us something that looks like Composite or Ubese because that would look awful on us.


Well than what can they give you, hide armour like the Wookie clothes? Hide Armour thats just as good as composite? Hide armour that deflects Blaster Fire and stop Swords and Pikes..... again another joke if they do. If they make it less quality becsue of using hides, then there will be cries to get everything even....if u wanted an even game no one would kill each other beacause their attacks and defenses would be identical


They are trying to balance us out first because trying to satisfy some garbage like feel of the game. It's easy for people like you to talk about the feel of the game when everything is fine and dandy with your species. When a species like ours has been broken since inception, the feel of the game should definitely take a back seat to balancing us out.As I said, you don't even know what the armour will look like. For all we know, it might go the bandolier route which some suggester OR it might look very similar to the already existing Wookie clothing. I haven't heard many complaining about that.


The Feel of the game should never take a backseat to anything, i want to play a Star Wars themed game i want to me immersed in it as much as possible, i dont care if the profession im working at is the best or the worst (pistoleer..it sure isnt an ubercombat class)i do it cuz thats the role i want to play. The people who are bothered about balance are the ones who just want to play the game to have a chance to own everyone to be able to say im the best and becasue they found thisisnt attainableat the time beinga wookie, so they want it made so they are. If you want balance why the hell do we have different races???? Lets make everyone generically the same since if some people have advantages other people will want them?? should we do that at a price of it becominga generic game with star wars tags on ......No one in there right mind would want that



Now that you refer to the movies, you have only seen ONE character. You're basing everything that we have or should not have on just that one character. That's awfully narrowminded of you. It's good that you atleast recognise that we have issues, which puts you well ahead of some of the people here who think or HAM balances things out when that itself is gimped due to the secondaries cap.


Yeah when it comes to wookies i base it on Chewbacca narrow minded? maybe Star Wars feel? Definatley. Id prefer to be narrow minded and play a game based on the expectations and feel from the film that to be so open minded that the film gets lost between the uber and nerf cries from people that want there Character to rule the Sever and dont give a stuff wether its a star wars game.












....this just in for the Zabrak.....



Feel free to base your logic on the film. Chewbacca did not wear armor. Glad you noticed. You know what else you should have noticed? Neither did Darth Maul.


Devs, please remove this man's ability to wear armor. Darth Maul didn't wear it while fending off 2 jedi. It's obvious in his logic that this is taking away from the "Star-Warsy" feel by allowing Zabraks to wear armor within the SWG environment.



Enjoy your day sir.

MatBrown
Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:10 am
#434


I don't honestly think that the Bowcasters you have seen suck because of having been made by Wookiees, I have seen some EXCELLENT Wookiee Weaponsmiths. I think they suck because the Bowcaster has lousy stats in SWG. But that is another issue entirely.


Wookiees would remain better at using Bowcasters, even if any Weaponsmith could make them, because only Wookiees have the Certification to use them. I don't expect, or see any possible reason, for that to change.

Lumpi667
Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:14 am
#435

well in previous posts people often mentioned the uber stats of wookiees

i just had a look at my own wook and want to tell you this:


HAM (min/max)

650/1350

650/850

450/550


500/1200

400/550

400/500


400/1100

450/650

400/600


There are a total of 1800 points to distribute.

As i remember humans have 400/1100 in every stat and a total of 1800, too, right?

250 points more in health and 100 more in action is everything we might have more, in the secondaries wookiees cant have that much as humans...

i think there is balance...

and have a look at every other game: humans are the midclass race, not bad in everything but not good, too...


My opinion towards armor is this:

I dont like the idea of wookiee armor, but i'm a belt/bandolier only wook. I dont have the understanding of all the armor game mechanics, but as a roleplayer i think it is complete b******t everyone (at least humans with some ambitions towards fighting) waers a complete set of composite armor.


To the bowcasters: the ones i saw, where all not as good as a laser rifle, the one i use atm is (not exactly but near to) 100-200 dmg no armor piercing speed of 7.7 @45m+0. as far as i know it isnt sliced and has no scope but that isnt the uber weapon, the only rally good thing on it is, every wook can use it, but there arent as many in the game, cause the ressources are very rare...



DARK SIDE - Imperial Rolls

I hope you understand my pseudo english
SetiAlpha
Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:20 am
#436


As others have brought up -The Wookie Ham Advantage will going away - correct TH?


Im gonna assume this new Armor will be AP1 - with at least Maurader Like Stats (Probebly better since your going to all this trouble..)


So what exactly will be the disadvnatge to being a wookie if they will now get - Better stats than everyone else - Armor - Bowcaster -Special Abilities like Roar, Etc.


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you have never been a wookie have you? what is the point of all this 'extra' HAM when it disappears sooooo fast? plz educate yourself, do a search for AP vs AR, and you will see that we are not whining, we die.....



i have damage mitigation 2 and i take hits of 150+ from quenkers!!


so plz have some kind of knowledge before you post.


you guys say that armor is not that important, how come noone will duel a wook without armor on?


i mean if you're good 300 extra health should not make a difference


and the devs will be doing us a serious disservice without a heavy armor type, like i said the Armor Rating is more important than the resists.








Obaccanem
ByygPapa
Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:54 am
#437

"So what exactly will be the disadvnatge to being a wookie if they will now get - Better stats than everyone else - Armor - Bowcaster -Special Abilities like Roar, Etc."


...in reverse order...


special abilities like roar - +10 to warcry: (warcry being nerfed into near-uselessness)

- +10 to creature tamingso we can tame nerfed-into-oblivion pets

in MAYBE one less attempt than the other poor CH's?) WOW

- WookieeRoar: once every 5 min intimidate skill with a 15m range

(if ur w/in 15m of an opponent you better have some brawler skillz which

would give you a better intimidate skill anyway)


bowcaster - dont make me laugh....basically useless rifle that costs as much or more as a good laser rifle and has

worse speed and no armor piercing (laser rifle is ar2)...nice sound effects and a cool look = RP value ONLY


armor - although nobody has any spec's on it yet I'll bet my last credit that wook armor will be less effective than other

armor and will also carry a higher average encumbrance


better stats than everyone else - rendered obsolete by the proliferance of stat buffing items and the fact that humans

can get better stats where it matters (secondaries) due to wookiee caps


....ok so now YOU tell me what the disadvantage to beinga non-wookiee is...



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ByygPapa
Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:56 am
#438

lol the formatting really chewed that last one up....sorry



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Unit_
Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:08 am
#439

Because Wookies get armor do the rest of the races get a few hundred more HAM?
ByygPapa
Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:12 am
#440

"Because Wookies get armor do the rest of the races get a few hundred more HAM?"


sure!




just as long as they have to tie most of it up in strength and have the same caps placed on their focus and will-power that wooks get



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Corsica_DarkCloud
Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:13 am
#441






Unit_ wrote:

Because Wookies get armor do the rest of the races get a few hundred more HAM?







PAY ATTENTION !!!!!



are you one of the other few posters who fail to read the thread or understand anything about Wookiees and just take to posting ridiculous ramblings?

Rockynick
Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:32 am
#442

I have a question. why should wookiees loose they're HAM bonus at all? Why do wookiees need to be balanced? How come we don't get to wear armor and keep our stats and rage on other players in PVP like they have done to us all along? When the devs give us armor why does the wookies race have to still be equal to other races? why can't we be more powerful and squash them?



Rockynik
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