Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Player Correspondent Opening: Armorsmith
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
He broke the rules, he broke the rules... Hehe, go tell mommy.
And btw, my 3 points regarding how SOE failed in this did not include saying he should not have lost his correspondent role, I'm just trying to point out to someone who lacks perspective that not all things are black and white, and rarely are. That understanding will come with maturity and a few knocks on the head of your own.
I don't care that he lost the correspondent role, because that's a good thing for anyone. The correspondents are a pointless shield for SOE devs, their work is pointless, they have no impact, they have no influence. Correspondents are SOE's sham and flimflam to make players think they have input and representation, when we can clearly see that they have not, never did, all the way back to the first major SOE debacle of the holo-grind.
I care not about the correspondent role, I care about the 3 ways SOE demonstrated in this one incident, yet again, atop a mountain of chronicled deficiencies, that they are incapable of providing leadership to the SWG project, and that they should be fired so that the community can support the project leaders, a new dev team, because a solid community is needed, on a broad basis (not split between classic SWG and New SWG), to rally a flourishing era of the game.
The new 4th way in which SOE failed was for moderators to come into these threads and start whacking feedback, instead of owning up to the community with an apology to the community for the way this incident was handled and the impact it had to the community.
4 strikes, in one incident.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
If you had actually read what he wrote you would see thathe said the dismissal was handled in a bad way and with great disrespect, not that is was
completely unjustified. Now go ahead, get back to you SOE ass kissin. Have you noticed that you are one of the few amongst hundreds of posters
that thinks as you do?
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Sorry, was that a video game? Nope. Not the same thing.
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Wow, take yourself a little seriously, don't you.? 
Let's see, using that logic, we should go out and start breaking the laws. What can we do in Austin's office to get their attention? Whatever it is, don't forget to paint yourself up like an Indian.
DarthMinos wrote:
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Wow, take yourself a little seriously, don't you.?
Let's see, using that logic, we should go out and start breaking the laws. What can we do in Austin's office to get their attention? Whatever it is, don't forget to paint yourself up like an Indian.
Going to the Austin office and raising hell carries a little more risk than making the devs have to delete 50 more emails along with the correspondants one morning. So, no, its not a good application of logic.
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Your business points are valid, but my point is, does that then justify essentially breaking the law to get attention? Sorry, but it does NOT.
Organizing a letter writing campaign is a valid form of protest, and an American Tradition. Now, if SOE does not want to invite public protest from their CUSTOMER BASE on their PUBLIC FORUMS (forum rules or no forum rules) then they should either become VERY responsive to ALL player concerns, or get out of the business entirely. Creating rules that forbid complaints from getting to those that are mostsuited to respond to those problems isn't just piss poor CS, it's business suicide. Perhaps their legal department (or outside counsel) should sit them down and explain to them that their heavy handed approach to stifling free speach of paying customers is not only a way to lose those customers but to be sued.
Admiral Ironsword
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Sorry, was that a video game? Nope. Not the same thing.
IvanIronsword wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
Your business points are valid, but my point is, does that then justify essentially breaking the law to get attention? Sorry, but it does NOT.
Organizing a letter writing campaign is a valid form of protest, and an American Tradition. Now, if SOE does not want to invite public protest from their CUSTOMER BASE on their PUBLIC FORUMS (forum rules or no forum rules) then they should either become VERY responsive to ALL player concerns, or get out of the business entirely. Creating rules that forbid complaints from getting to those that are mostsuited to respond to those problems isn't just piss poor CS, it's business suicide. Perhaps their legal department (or outside counsel) should sit them down and explain to them that their heavy handed approach to stifling free speach of paying customers is not only a way to lose those customers but to be sued.
Admiral Ironsword
Their "Public Forums" do not cover "Private Messages" which are called "Private" for a reason.
Not to mention their forum, their rules.
Valkyrie36 wrote:
DarthMinos wrote:
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Wow, take yourself a little seriously, don't you.?
Let's see, using that logic, we should go out and start breaking the laws. What can we do in Austin's office to get their attention? Whatever it is, don't forget to paint yourself up like an Indian.
Going to the Austin office and raising hell carries a little more risk than making the devs have to delete 50 more emails along with the correspondants one morning. So, no, its not a good application of logic.
Hey, you're the one that made the initial grossly overstated comparison between the spamming of the Devs and the Boston Tea Party. Since you were making the comparison, I just took the next step as to what an actual comparison would like. In case you forgot, the Sons of Liberty didn't just engage in a letter writing campaign to King George. They took over a ship and vandalized the contents.
DarthMinos wrote:
Valkyrie36 wrote:
DarthMinos wrote:
Valkyrie36 wrote:
ZionHalcyon wrote:
RedDestinyCC wrote:
He didn't break the Law, he broke some vapid forum rules written and enforced by inept kids playing at running a business. I'd put human dignity, respect, and the hard work at stake for those who have put in their hard workand passion for the last two years and have it being trashed... in short, human beings and human issues, above the vapid forum boxes they impose on customers. So yes, it does justify.
Vapid or not, he BROKE THE RULES. How about this, Mr. Business Guy. Go break the rules in your company by trying to rally a bunch of co-workers to spam your boss. Then let's see how long you have your job for.
Sometimes it takes breaking the rules to make progress. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
Wow, take yourself a little seriously, don't you.?
Let's see, using that logic, we should go out and start breaking the laws. What can we do in Austin's office to get their attention? Whatever it is, don't forget to paint yourself up like an Indian.
Going to the Austin office and raising hell carries a little more risk than making the devs have to delete 50 more emails along with the correspondants one morning. So, no, its not a good application of logic.
Hey, you're the one that made the initial grossly overstated comparison between the spamming of the Devs and the Boston Tea Party. Since you were making the comparison, I just took the next step as to what an actual comparison would like. In case you forgot, the Sons of Liberty didn't just engage in a letter writing campaign to King George. They took over a ship and vandalized the contents.
And you totaly missed the point that sometimes you need to step outside the boundries to make progress. Your judgement of if my anology was appripriate or not doesn't matter. The lesson is applicable.
/peace
The guy above is absolutly correct.We are beating each other and not the folks who need it.