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Thread: Acid and Stun resists on R.I.S (is it worth it?)
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Imaridril
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:46 pm
#14
Well, considernig the combat rebalance just got delayed, you're right, there really is no reason to work on RIS armor. However, all of the discussion we've been having with RIS is in anticipation of how its going to fair in a post combat rebalance setting. The general consensus is that after the rebalance, RIS is going to be superior to composite.
RIS armor will never be good pvp armor.
It can be very light kick ass pve armor but it's just not designed to be used for pvp.....
Ail
Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:33 pm
#15
Imaridril wrote:
Well, considernig the combat rebalance just got delayed, you're right, there really is no reason to work on RIS armor. However, all of the discussion we've been having with RIS is in anticipation of how its going to fair in a post combat rebalance setting. The general consensus is that after the rebalance, RIS is going to be superior to composite.
RIS armor will never be good pvp armor.
It can be very light kick ass pve armor but it's just not designed to be used for pvp.....
I tend to disagree, I think after the rebalance it will be THE pve armor but still won't stack up to composite in pvp even if they drop composite cap to 60%....
Plugging all the vulnerabilities on RIS just has you make subpar composite with equivallent or higher hams...
Imaridril
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:40 am
#16
Ail wrote:
Imaridril wrote:
Well, considernig the combat rebalance just got delayed, you're right, there really is no reason to work on RIS armor. However, all of the discussion we've been having with RIS is in anticipation of how its going to fair in a post combat rebalance setting. The general consensus is that after the rebalance, RIS is going to be superior to composite.
RIS armor will never be good pvp armor.
It can be very light kick ass pve armor but it's just not designed to be used for pvp.....
I tend to disagree, I think after the rebalance it will be THE pve armor but still won't stack up to composite in pvp even if they drop composite cap to 60%....
I think 60% might be a little optomistic. I'm guessing the pre-slice level of crafted composite is going to drop down to only 40% or 50% during the combat rebalance. I also wouldn't be surprised if composite is given an additional vulnerability. After slicing I think you're corrent in that high end composite is going to top out around 60%, however I'd say a well made piece or RIS is better than that. With the right Krayt scale you could get RIS that has 80% to everything except for around 60% to Acid and a vulnerability to Stun which can easily be covered by a PSG, andsince you'd be able to do that without an effectiveness slice you'd be able to use anecumbrance slice to get muchlower HAMs thanthe best non-loot composite. Or if you're content with higher HAMS and Acid in the low 40s, then you could use a Janta hide instead of a Krayt scale and get everything except Kinetic, Acid, and Stun sliced up to 90%. Or if you don't want to use a PSG, you could go with two Stun layers, 1 Acid layer, and a high Acid/high Kinetic Krayt scale, and potentially get 80% to everything except for Stun and Acid both being in the high 20s.
Here, break it down this way... Assuming that composite tops out at 60% and that stun layers remain the same, the best composite you'd see would be about 60/40. That would still be nice armor, but some 80/60/0, 90/40/0, or 80/27/27 RIS is quite nice, too.
Personally I think the best route is going to be to mix and match some composite, some RIS, and maybe some padded and Mandalorian. That way you wouldn't have any one specific weak damage type that your attacker could exploit with his high damage random pool attacks, like Strafe 2, Cripple Shot, or Last Ditch.
ErithX
Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:20 am
#17
Who says the base resistnaces are gonna be the only thing to drop on Composite. I believe composite will gain a few vulnerabilities with the rebalance.
Ryche_Mykola
Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:54 am
#18
ErithX wrote:
Who says the base resistnaces are gonna be the only thing to drop on Composite. I believe composite will gain a few vulnerabilities with the rebalance.
If they put too many vulnerabilities into armor what is going to be the point in even wearing against NPC characters such as Nightsisters? They already use different types of weapons, such as stun batons, power hammers, etc........
We still need 1 armorthat has all around good protection such as composite.
ErithX
Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:01 am
#19
Well that is one way you can look at it, but you really don't need ONE armor that has all protection, you need ALL the armors to work together to provide all protection. So if that NS pulls out stun you might put on tantel, but if he pulls out a powerhammer, you will need ubese, if he does something else, you will need comp...etc.
At least thats my theory, they will make it so that ALL Armors will be useful at various levels.
Message Edited by ErithX on 09-03-2004 12:01 PM
Garnax
Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:04 am
#20
Except with the new armor-switching delay you stand still for 30 seconds while switching armor...
ErithX wrote:
So if that NS pulls out stun you might put on tantel, but if he pulls out a powerhammer, you will need ubese, if he does something else, you will need comp...etc.
Ryche_Mykola
Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:08 am
#21
Garnax wrote:
Except with the new armor-switching delay you stand still for 30 seconds while switching armor...
ErithX wrote:
So if that NS pulls out stun you might put on tantel, but if he pulls out a powerhammer, you will need ubese, if he does something else, you will need comp...etc.
Exactly. Plus are you going to carry 3 full suits of armor with you at all times?
Do an experiment: Wear Bone Armor vs. a nightsister or 2, then change into Composite in the middle of the fight.
ErithX
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:10 am
#22
I'm not hoping for this, I'm just expecting the worse, that way if it doesn't happen i'll be happy 
Message Edited by ErithX on 09-03-2004 03:56 PM
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